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Great idea Heaterman, thanks. I would like to see information about restrictions (or not) regarding installing wood boilers in a garage.
No matter how many times your salesman tells you your boiler will work fine...
It is not code compliant to reduce the flue size.
It is not code compliant to reduce the flue size.
Fire can not be turned on and off by a large mass of cement.
Solid fuel in a garage or any structure that is used as a storage area for motorized equipment boils down "pun intended" to one thing. Flammable vapor.
Had a discussion with an inspector this past week on this topic. In a nutshell here's what NFPA 211 says.
You're OK if the solid fuel appliance is
A: in a separate room which is not accessible from the "vehicle storage area". The boiler room cannot have an access door directly into the VSA.
B: in a room which has "indirect access" to the VSA through a hallway or other space that has an additional door.
(in other words you would have an intermediate room between the VSA and the boiler)
Had a discussion with an inspector this past week on this topic. In a nutshell here's what NFPA 211 says.
You're OK if the solid fuel appliance is
A: in a separate room which is not accessible from the "vehicle storage area". The boiler room cannot have an access door directly into the VSA.
B: in a room which has "indirect access" to the VSA through a hallway or other space that has an additional door.
(in other words you would have an intermediate room between the VSA and the boiler)
Armaton
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So, have a door that opens towards you, make a 2 foot hallway, then another door opening into the VSA, or an accordian door, and that would satisfy code? Easily done, and fairly inexspensive.
Something like that......
The code officer that I was speaking with was the head inspector for a local county and he just said "hallway", did not specify length. What you're suggesting would probably pass the letter of the law but I would be a little apprehensive given the variable nature of inspectors.
In the situation you suggested, I would run it past the local inspector first. He may have some "input" as to what his definition of hallway actually is.
You are barking up the right tree though. They want a separation between the wood burning area and the parts of the building where a vehicle may be stored, parked, worked on etc.
The code officer that I was speaking with was the head inspector for a local county and he just said "hallway", did not specify length. What you're suggesting would probably pass the letter of the law but I would be a little apprehensive given the variable nature of inspectors.
In the situation you suggested, I would run it past the local inspector first. He may have some "input" as to what his definition of hallway actually is.
You are barking up the right tree though. They want a separation between the wood burning area and the parts of the building where a vehicle may be stored, parked, worked on etc.
Very true. Had a service call to a local dairy farmer that did a DIY replacement of his milkhouse water heater. The old one had a 50,000 btu burner in it and used 4" B-vent for the stack. The new one he replaced it with has a 199,000 btu burner.
"I wanted HOT water" he said.
"I didn't think the chimney would make a difference" he said
"It worked with the old one" he said
"I thought that little button was defective 'cause it kept popping" he said
He found out that one shouldn't reduce a stack from 6" to 4" after he bypassed the roll out switch on the burner manifold and torched all the wiring on his new water heater
Farmers. Gotta love 'em. They are an independent lot.....
BoilerMan
Minister of Fire
Farmers. Gotta love 'em. They are an independent lot.....
I got'em for inlaws...........
I do not do any work for them on the farm.....................
It's better that way....................
For all of us........................
TS
On the NPFA 211 our guy allows it with out a hallway, as long as it has a self closing door. At least, the last time. A lot of inspectors are private third party guys that are running all over the state and when things are unclear they call Lansing to make it more unclear. Just ask about when to enforce CSD-1 compliance and who's responsibility each part is. That answer is clear as mud.
I believe it would fit in the "rants" category
Here's another.
Stainless steel: what manufacturers claim as an 'upgrade' when they can't figure out why their boilers are rotting out in a couple of years.
infinitymike
Minister of Fire
MY WOODGUN HEATS MY HOUSE AND THE FIRE STARTS ALL BY ITSELF AFTER BEING OFF FOR SEVERAL HOURS. AND IS IN THE GARAGE AND PASSED NYS CODE INSPECTIONS!
TOTALLY LOVE MY WOOD GUN.
AND NO STORAGE!
TOTALLY LOVE MY WOOD GUN.
AND NO STORAGE!
Ashful
Minister of Fire
Is this like the "bro code"?
Here's one: "thou shall not swipe another man's farwood"
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/forgive-me-i-have-sinned.112329/
infinitymike
Minister of Fire
Mad? Nah, just really happy!When y'all yell like that it comes off more like your mad.
HELP!!
There's a bunch of guys running around here lighting fires with a hot brick!
!!There's a bunch of guys running around here lighting fires with a hot brick!
HELP
There's a bunch of guys running around here lighting fires with a hot brick!
Oh, is that how it works?
Might as well close this thread. There will be no useful discussion here about codes or anything that might be helpful. Just another thread filled with hate and discontent.
infinitymike
Minister of Fire
infinitymike
Minister of Fire
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