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maple1

Minister of Fire
Sep 15, 2011
10,783
Nova Scotia
I went to belkomin and they have a video of how they are built all heavy duty partial automated welded and thick steel. They look built really well. Its -50 in siberia, I cant see being that dangerous to have?
I'm not sure anyone said they were dangerous? For me its just the simple fact that no CSA sticker = not insurable. If I had a situation where I wanted a boiler tied to storage in a building that I wasn't wanting to insure, I might actually consider. But I would need to see one first hand first, and read some first hand user honest feedback before considering.
 
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SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
5,948
Downeast Maine
How come you aren't trying to utilize the 26% tax incentives?

Plenty of options in the downdraft area...
I'm not buying any time in the next few years. By the time I am read there will probably be very different appliances on the market.
 

S.Whiplash

Member
Oct 28, 2012
113
That's true but we are talking about using storage...

Also as a test I burnt wood in the manual feed door on the pellet duo and still had good success. It can only get more efficient using the UNI.
Even with thermal storage cord wood burners can not match pellet boilers for low emissions, but it's not really a competition, they just happen to be on the same list of apples and oranges. Pellet boilers also run better with thermal storage as it reduces cycling.
 

S.Whiplash

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Oct 28, 2012
113
They had plenty of warning, but it seems none of them wanted to develop gasification technology, which has been commonplace on woodstoves, and the UMaine Jetstream boiler, since the 70's. European and a few select US manufacturers have been making gasification boilers for years now, so there were even plenty of proven designs to draw inspiration from.
Let's face it, due to the reliance on the fossil fuel industry in N.A., biomass boilers for central heating is little more than a niche product with a very small marketplace existing on the fringes of common society. If there were great profits to be made the European manufacturers would show more interest in the N.A. marketplace. Alternatively if it was worthwhile one of the giant US owned wood-stove conglomerates would add wood boilers to it's portfolio and invest the R&D needed to dominate the market and wipe out all of the little guys. They already know for every wood boiler they could produce, they can sell 1,000 wood stoves, so they don't bother chasing peanuts and other odd nuts.
 
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SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
5,948
Downeast Maine
Let's face it, due to the reliance on the fossil fuel industry in N.A., biomass boilers for central heating is little more than a niche product with a very small marketplace existing on the fringes of common society. If there were great profits to be made the European manufacturers would show more interest in the N.A. marketplace. Alternatively if it was worthwhile one of the giant US owned wood-stove conglomerates would add wood boilers to it's portfolio and invest the R&D needed to dominate the market and wipe out all of the little guys. They already know for every wood boiler they could produce, they can sell 1,000 wood stoves, so they don't bother chasing peanuts and other odd nuts.
Indeed, all great points. I just wanted to point out that we shouldn't be feeling bad for the manufacturers for not keeping pace with the times. These companies, no matter how small, were not blindsided by the tightening regulations. Apparently it was better to lobby for extensions and exemptions rather than innovate.
 

salecker

Minister of Fire
Aug 22, 2010
1,437
Northern Canada
Indeed, all great points. I just wanted to point out that we shouldn't be feeling bad for the manufacturers for not keeping pace with the times. These companies, no matter how small, were not blindsided by the tightening regulations. Apparently it was better to lobby for extensions and exemptions rather than innovate.
But some companies have been hobbled by covid and travel restrictions.
I was talking to one of the head guys from one company and they have their boiler ready for EPA testing,but the testing facility is in Canada.Which presents a huge extra cost to the already expensive testing required to pass the EPA tests.Without having their personnel onsite the testing facility cannot make changes or adjustments like the people that build them.
 

SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
5,948
Downeast Maine
But some companies have been hobbled by covid and travel restrictions.
I was talking to one of the head guys from one company and they have their boiler ready for EPA testing,but the testing facility is in Canada.Which presents a huge extra cost to the already expensive testing required to pass the EPA tests.Without having their personnel onsite the testing facility cannot make changes or adjustments like the people that build them.
Covid is not an excuse, they had years to figure this out. The regulations were supposed to go into effect before Covid.
 

salecker

Minister of Fire
Aug 22, 2010
1,437
Northern Canada
Covid is not an excuse, they had years to figure this out. The regulations were supposed to go into effect before Covid.
covid is not an excuse for them it is a fact of life and they can not get EPA certification because of it.
Only the CCP knew that corrona was going out in the world,it's not like it was advertised so company's could schedule around it.
Coming up with new models that pass the EPA doesn't just happen overnight.
Lot's of use of corrona as an excuse,but that's not always the case.That's just generalizing and lumping everyone together