MAD MARK
Feeling the Heat
@CutterComp I live in SW PA and switched insurance from State Farm to Farmers; who allowed my garage install and even took pictures of install after.
$23 premium annually. Worth it.
$23 premium annually. Worth it.
That doesn't mean it is to code or that they will pay a claim if it comes down to it@CutterComp I live in SW PA and switched insurance from State Farm to Farmers; who allowed my garage install and even took pictures of install after.
$23 premium annually. Worth it.
I am sorry if it bothers you that I inform people of the applicable codes so they can make an informed decision.Nobody waits for this.
I never said it is/they will either. Thanks.That doesn't mean it is to code or that they will pay a claim if it comes down to it
As long as it isn't in the same room it's fine. Notice it says location not structure.
Technically yes. But really unless you are storing that stuff in the vacinity of the stove no one will care.So if you walk past the stove with your groceries (flammable hairspray, rubbing alcohol and nail polish remover) your install would be in violation of code then, because the stove would be in a "location where a corrosive atmosphere, flammable gas or vapour, combustible dust, or combustible fibres may be present."
Technically yes. But really unless you are storing that stuff in the vacinity of the stove no one will care.
With a garage door on it and a car in it.That's not a garage, it's a basement.
That description disqualifies wood stoves from being installed in just about any house I've ever been in. The average house has hairspray, aerosol cleaners, rubbing alcohol, gas lines, combustible fibres (furniture) ect ect ect.
In that case, to be code complaint, you'll need to start advising members that in order to install a wood stove in their house, the only way they can do so is to remove the following from their house:
Hairspray, flammable cleaners, aerosols, non-dairy creamer, flammable furniture, rubbing alcohol, nail polish/remover, LP or NG gas lines, ect.
So if you walk past the stove with your groceries (flammable hairspray, rubbing alcohol and nail polish remover) your install would be in violation of code then, because the stove would be in a "location where a corrosive atmosphere, flammable gas or vapour, combustible dust, or combustible fibres may be present."
I believe you have made this point sufficiently clear.So then consider a house that has a kitchen open to a living room with a wood stove in it. There is a closet in the kitchen with aerosols, flammable cleaners and rubbing alcohol in it. This technically prohibits the installation of a wood stove in that environment, and is grounds for an insurance company to deny a claim.
Code issues aside , a coal burning stove will give you consistent heat output round the clock . Perhaps selling the wood to offset costs
Highbeam will be along soon to tell us how that isn't a garage so the code doesn't apply here. And no that car isn't really parked there either
Also, what is the reasoning behind disallowing solid fuels in a garage? What is it about liquid fuels that makes them safer? Living out in the countryside, natural gas is not an option, so that leaves me with propane or heating oil or waste oil.
If you have an integral garage in your house you cant have a stove?
@CutterComp I live in SW PA and switched insurance from State Farm to Farmers; who allowed my garage install and even took pictures of install after.
$23 premium annually. Worth it.
There are also diesel and electric vehicles. It's a stupid code requirement that pretty much forces you to pay an electric or fossi fuel company to heat your garage/shop/etc and this really becomes worth noting for commercial enterprises. The work around is a closet for a boiler or furnace, but that hugely elevates the cost involved.It's a totally stupid and outdated code section that is often misinterpreted. In Canada you are allowed to have a stove in the garage so long as you elevate it 18". They have the same "except where gasoline vapors are present" language though. In the old days, most cars leaked gasoline vapors. Modern vehicles capture all of those vapors since it is pollution.
I'll definitely keep this in mind.I made the same insurance company switch just because the shop stove was allowed. My county issued me a permit and inspected the install too. State Farm prohibited all solid fuel burners in "outbuildings" which my shop is. They are allowed to be more stringent than code.
I totally agree it is stupid and I think Canada's code is a very good common sense solution to the potential issues. But we and the op do not live in canada we live in the us. And you can call the space you park and or work on your vehicles what ever you want. But it doesn't change what it is or get around the other clauses in that code which make installs like this against code.It's a totally stupid and outdated code section that is often misinterpreted. In Canada you are allowed to have a stove in the garage so long as you elevate it 18". They have the same "except where gasoline vapors are present" language though. In the old days, most cars leaked gasoline vapors. Modern vehicles capture all of those vapors since it is pollution.
Well saidI think it is wise to recognize the elevated risks of danger and insurance forfeiture when installing a stove anyplace other than in your home. There is indeed a greater chance of flammable vapors in a building that could also contain a car. There is an elevated risk associated with an unattended woodstove in an outbuilding.
But it sure is nice to have a rip roaring fire in your shop stove while working on a project.