Woodstock's New Stove - Last Minute Predicitions???

Bill, I don't want to let you down but I do not think this will be in production in June. I have no hard facts on that but I'd rather expect it in August. As for guesses, I'll just wait to see what the final will be except for the last question. I have no reason to doubt that the combination of secondary and cat will be superior working together. I kind of suspect the cat might even last a lot longer with this setup.

I'm not holding my breath on this June ETA. Kind a disappointed in the lack of info coming out of Woodstock. I thought that's why they created their blog?

I'm gonna predict its gonna be heavy, beautiful and that the units made in year two will be the ones to buy. You heard it here first!

Predictions on rear clearance to combustibles? I'm guessing 20". Okay, maybe just 15". On cost, I'm guessing incrementally more than the fireview is to the keystone.

Highbeam said:

Predictions on rear clearance to combustibles? I'm guessing 20". Okay, maybe just 15". On cost, I'm guessing incrementally more than the fireview is to the keystone.

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Those rear clearances really bug ya huh. :lol:

If indeed it is the ultimate stove expect pricing to be around or higher than the equinox... this could cut another 3rd or more of wood consumption with increased eff.

BeGreen said:

Todd said:

Highbeam said:

Predictions on rear clearance to combustibles? I'm guessing 20". Okay, maybe just 15". On cost, I'm guessing incrementally more than the fireview is to the keystone.

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Those rear clearances really bug ya huh. :lol:

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They are a deal buster for many. Otherwise we might have had an Isle Royale in the house.

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I really don't see how since the 8" front clearance makes up for it.

iceman said:

this could cut another 3rd or more of wood consumption with increased eff.

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You have more faith in technology than me.

Todd said:

BeGreen said:

Todd said:

Highbeam said:

Predictions on rear clearance to combustibles? I'm guessing 20". Okay, maybe just 15". On cost, I'm guessing incrementally more than the fireview is to the keystone.

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Those rear clearances really bug ya huh. :lol:

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They are a deal buster for many. Otherwise we might have had an Isle Royale in the house.

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I really don't see how since the 8" front clearance makes up for it.

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Then you have to joggle the chimney around to get there. With a flush hearth the 8" front clearance gets you nothing. Dang thing will stick out into the room twice as far as other stoves.

Oh, and where's the tstat?

If this stove is really just 3CF or so then they can't possibly price it up with the equinox. That's like making a nice Ford Ranger and pricing it the same as an F350.

Highbeam said:

Todd said:

BeGreen said:

Todd said:

Highbeam said:

Predictions on rear clearance to combustibles? I'm guessing 20". Okay, maybe just 15". On cost, I'm guessing incrementally more than the fireview is to the keystone.

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Those rear clearances really bug ya huh. :lol:

Click to expand...

They are a deal buster for many. Otherwise we might have had an Isle Royale in the house.

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I really don't see how since the 8" front clearance makes up for it.

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Then you have to joggle the chimney around to get there. With a flush hearth the 8" front clearance gets you nothing. Dang thing will stick out into the room twice as far as other stoves.

Oh, and where's the tstat?

If this stove is really just 3CF or so then they can't possibly price it up with the equinox. That's like making a nice Ford Ranger and pricing it the same as an F350.

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I guess if you already have your chimney 7" from the wall your screwed but if your starting from scratch or have a crock in a wall the hearth size for a Woodstock is the same as the Hearthstone. So what if the stove sticks out an extra 7-8" on the hearth, it's really not that much if you look at a tape measure. Oh, and how many people have a flush hearth? Pretty hard to do with those high R valued Hearthstones. Heck, if you have an 8" raised hearth you can bring a Woodstock right up to the edge which would also cut down the hearth size into the room.

I agree with the t-stat, great feature that more stove manufactures should look into.

Last I heard about price was they were trying to keep it close to the Fireview's price.

Wilkommen zu Dr. Frankenstein's Laboratory! Home of the Frankenst0ve. Fire g000d! Mmmmm!

BeGreen said:

We may need to give it its own forum.

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We almost had to do that for the Englander NC-30 this past winter!

Oops! DP. Anyhow, I don't know where some of this wild stuff is coming from. Nobody has ever said anything about this stove being near the Equinox in size or price. What kind of sense would it make for them to skip Mansfield size and go jumb0? Latest report from WS indicates ~ 2.8 cu ft. I think the only Q is whether that = total volume or usable space. Burn 1/3 less wood than what, a smoke dragon? Yes, they have said they're shooting for 90% efficiency, but I assume that would be measured by the same method that says 82% for the Fireview. I have suggested more than once that folks looking at a WS for next season wait and see the new stove, but I don't know how much better it could be than a 3-cu-ft FV, which would be pretty kiggass. That's really all they needed to build, as the weakness with their current lineup is that their stoves are too small for some folks. Will it be better than just a 3-cu-ft FV? Probably, since they've spent a good bit of time improving it, but how much better could it be?

Regarding the clearance, IMO, WS designs their stoves primarily for hearth mounting. Rear clearance doesn't matter when the stove is sitting in front of a fireplace. Worked out really nice for me. Plopped it right down on the 24" deep hearth with 0 modifications to the hearth. AFAIK, no other stove can do that, since they all have front doors and would require 16" of hearth in front of the door. I didn't want another insert, and my only other no-mod option would've been to get a stove small enough to slide below the 26.5" lintel and into the fireplace, which would be too small to heat the house.

Weight and price of Frankenst0ve? Umm. . .I'm sensing something over 500lbs and under $3k list. I wouldn't worry about buying early production, because any upgrades/fixes would most likely be free/cheap and easy to install, like the new stainless baffle for the Fireview.

I too would not be a bit concerned with buying the first production stoves from Woodstock. This is a company who believes in taking care of their customers. Also they spent so much time in development that they pretty much have it figured out. Some big problems were in the final design stage and we still don't have much information on that end. As for the efficiency, it it amazing how efficient this stove will be so it very well might be difficult to compare it to another stove of the same size. With our Fireview we cut our fuel use by 50% so it makes me wonder just how much more we'd get from the Frankenstove?!

Todd said:

Highbeam said:

Todd said:

BeGreen said:

Todd said:

Highbeam" date="1306366441 said:

Predictions on rear clearance to combustibles? I'm guessing 20". Okay, maybe just 15". On cost, I'm guessing incrementally more than the fireview is to the keystone.

Click to expand...

Those rear clearances really bug ya huh. :lol:

Click to expand...

They are a deal buster for many. Otherwise we might have had an Isle Royale in the house.

Click to expand...

I really don't see how since the 8" front clearance makes up for it.

Click to expand...

Then you have to joggle the chimney around to get there. With a flush hearth the 8" front clearance gets you nothing. Dang thing will stick out into the room twice as far as other stoves.

Oh, and where's the tstat?

If this stove is really just 3CF or so then they can't possibly price it up with the equinox. That's like making a nice Ford Ranger and pricing it the same as an F350.

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I guess if you already have your chimney 7" from the wall your screwed but if your starting from scratch or have a crock in a wall the hearth size for a Woodstock is the same as the Hearthstone. So what if the stove sticks out an extra 7-8" on the hearth, it's really not that much if you look at a tape measure. Oh, and how many people have a flush hearth? Pretty hard to do with those high R valued Hearthstones. Heck, if you have an 8" raised hearth you can bring a Woodstock right up to the edge which would also cut down the hearth size into the room.

I agree with the t-stat, great feature that more stove manufactures should look into.

Last I heard about price was they were trying to keep it close to the Fireview's price.

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7-8" isn't much? You ought to talk with my wife!! I hear you, I actually think you're right that it's not a huge deal to slide this stove way out into the room another 8" from normal stoves. The benefits of doing that will be better radiated heat and side door access. It would benice if WS published that front clearance reduction that comes along with hearth height too.

I'm growing tired of the hearthstone or maybe I am just ready to try something new and the BK would be ideal if it wasn't so ugly. This WS will be a good option depending on the final details.

You're right. They do need to put the vertical hearth/front clearance mojo in their printed lit. If you dig around, you can find it on their web site. . .on a page about installation, I think. I confirmed it with them on the phone.

Todd said:

So what if the stove sticks out an extra 7-8" on the hearth, it's really not that much if you look at a tape measure.

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Thats the problem, look like nothing on a tape measure, then you put it in the room and think what have I done.