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Enviro M55 Insert Multi-Fuel Stove

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by libirm, Oct 31, 2011.

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  1. libirm

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  2. joescho

    joescho Feeling the Heat

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    I'm pretty darn new to burning pellets, but I've never heard of "east" and "west" coast pellets. I'm sure the knowledgeable folks here would have mentioned it somewhere in here and I've never seen it.

    I wouldn't get too worked up about it because as with everything else, your milage may vary....
  3. jtakeman

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    Wow, The stove owner will believe anything the dealer tells them!

    Enviro saw an issue with these stoves after they were released. It was actually feeding more pellets with certain pellets(East coast/west coast-didn't really matter-It was a size density thing!) They promptly replaced the auger cover to make it adjustable so if you had an issue with over fire(too much fuel fed in) you could lower the cover plate to reduce the amount of fuel.

    There was absolutly no reason to replace the stove because of this. Easy in house fix. If the dealer know what he was doing!

    We had a few members get the early units and there are post hear. None had the stove replaced, Just a replacement item the dealer installed. They also just released a blower upgrade to improve the amount af air flow to the convection tubes. This also helped the stoves issue of getting hot when in the upper heat ranges. We have a few member here that have this unit. Hopefully they chime in. Since the upgrades the feedback seems good.
  4. NPCoot

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    I can't say enough good things about mine. Haven't really had any issues other than the hopper lid gasket falling apart already, but to me that's just normal wear and tear, not to mention I've put 4.5 tons through it to date. So the lid has been opened and closed a lot in order to add those pellets.
  5. Roadstar

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    The first (top) video in the link below mentions (at about 2:15) pellet width as being 0.2 inch.

    http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/81683/

    I live on the west coast and the pellets I use measure 0.25 inch in diameter. I believe this is the size of most of the pellets out here. I use Bear Mountain pellets and that’s what they are. I tried a couple of bags of Blazers last year and I don’t recall the diameter of them looking larger or smaller than the Bear Mountain.

    There is a brand out here, Clean Burn, that are larger than 0.25 inch in diameter. I don’t know how large they are but they are large enough that I won’t use them. They are also longer than most pellets I have used.

    So, was that video made on the East coast?
  6. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Every pellet including imports generally go by the PFI standards. There is no east coast or west coast pellet. Pretty much follow the same rules.
  7. libirm

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    Thanks gentleman-
    Pellets where a concern, here there are only Loews, Home Depot, and 1-800-pellets to buy from.
    Also it seemed that the Enviro did care about the matter or worst yet, the problem was unfix-able.
    Glad to hear so many positives about the stove.
  8. kykel

    kykel Feeling the Heat

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    Recently bought my Enviro M55Cast FS and I love this stove. Runs flawlessly. I can tell you that this stove came with the improved convection blower and the adjustable auger cover. So I can only assume that if you just bought the stove yours will have the upgrade. As far as noise its not bad in my mind. It is a pellet stove and they all make noise. Good luck with the stove and tell us what you think after installed
  9. Threerun

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    We have one and I have not experienced the same problems. The stove hasn't over fired at all. The only issue I have is that the baffle plate is pretty warped to hell, which would tell me the metal isn't quite up to snuff. Also I am not sure if I have an auger plate on mine. I purchased it December of last year and more than likely the dealer had it for some time on the floor. They don't sell a lot of these models apparently.

    Actually I am their first with the M55, lol.
  10. libirm

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    Well I guess this does certainly calm the nerves about the purchase.
    Ordered with a 2 week wait.. will send pictures and how it is going.
    So please stand by, will post on this thread
    Thanks again for the response.
    PB
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    How much are they going for ? Did you buy it from a pellet stove warehouse ?
  12. libirm

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    Bought local- like supporting the Local guy-
    $3500+install + pipe
  13. Freddyp

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    I have owned the M55 insert for just under a year now and have burned a few tons of pellets through it. The biggest problem that I have with this stove is the incredible amount of pellets that this thing eats.
    When I questioned the dealer about this issue last season I was told that it was the quality of pellets. I burn either Okanagas, Barefoots or Lignetics all considered to be super premiums so I don't agree with their answer. I can load the hopper which only holds about 30 lbs not the full bag and only get about 6 hours of run time. I tend to run the stove on all of the factory setting (3) with a heat level of 3. If I raise the heat level up higher then I run out of pellets much quicker. I can fill the hopper just before going to bed and wake up about 7 hours later and the house is cold since the stove runs out of pellets. Same thing happens when I leave for work. Fill it at 7:00 AM come home at 3:00,,,house is cold and the stove is off due to no pellets. My wife and I are considering selling this thing for a huge loss and looking for a stove that will run more economically. If anyone out there has one of the M55's and has been able to resolve this issue then I am very interested in learning how. The manufacturer as offered no solution, however I have read that there is a modification to the stove that can be done but my installer/dealer knows nothing about it or is not willing to install the mod.
    At 3 bags of pellets a day,,,, it is cheaper to heat with oil then it is with this stove.
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    My m55 insert is still new, only 6 bags through it so far. No complaints other than it eats a lot of pellets. Great heat and it is much much quieter than the wood insert I had. Yes I can hear the feed auger and yes I can hear the stirring rod but it's still new and I have a feeling it will just be background noise once the "new" factor goes away. Now I just need more food for the beast.
  15. libirm

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    What the Deal with these stoves eating allot of pellets?
    Are these stoves in need of adjustment or do they inherently use more pellets than other stoves?
    Maybe it is a efficiency issue?
  16. libirm

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    They new stoves says it hold 60lbs of pellets- it seems enviro made a change in capacity
    Brochure says on their site-
    Large Hopper -
    Large 60 lb. hopper for up to 36 hrs. continuous burning time.
    http://www.enviro.com/images/manuals-brochures/brochures/M55 Cast FPI Brochure Nov 2010.pdf

    (Can't figure out how to get the whole link address on this post; how do I do it?)
  17. flynfrfun

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    FredfromBoston,
    I have the insert and it holds the full 60lbs as advertised. I do have to push the pellets back into the hopper, then fill again, push pellets back. Doing this over and over until the hopper is chock full. Then you will get a lot longer burn before reloading. This is one negative of inserts. I'm guessing you have the insert based on what you are saying. But, it sounds like you are only getting it half full.

    I think on heat level 3 you are going to burn about 4lbs/hr which equates to about a 10hr burn on one bag of pellets. If you fill the hopper all the way you should get more like 15hrs.

    I've never owned any other brand of pellet stove, so can't comment on efficiency. I do know Enviro claims something like 83%, but that could be pie in the sky numbers.
  18. kykel

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    30 lbs is not very much. If you go 7 hours on 30 lbs that would be a little over 1.5 bags a day. I averaged 2 bags a day on setting three with my old stove during the winter(hudson river saranac). New stove(enviro m55cast fs) seems to be about the same or maybe even a little less. Sorry to hear that your having trouble. J takeman posted a chart on pounds of pellets per hour on each setting. Maybe you can pm him and see if he can post it again and see what your stove should burn per hour on setting three
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    It would be great if some with a M55 insert could post burn rates for us!
    thanks in advance!
    PB
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    Thanks for the comparison Kykel. So, does the M55 in your opinion, put out about the same amount of heat as your old stove since they both use roughly the same amount of pellets on heat level 3? If so, then the efficiency is probably similar.

    I'd love to hear comparisons from anyone else that has owned other stoves.
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    It was great to see all the post backs on this issue, but let me add some clarifications to my original post. I only get about 5 hrs for every 30 lbs of pellets. When I mentioned 7 hrs, I should have said that is how many hrs I sleep. When I do the math that is closer to 3 bags or pellets for a day - that is too much. And that is on heat setting 3,, if I push that to 4, which is what I would need to run it at on a sub-32 degrees days, then I get less time. When I load the stove I use a plastic bucket that holds exactly 15lbs of pellets, I load it into the hopper and then use a plastic spatula, (like the type you would use to frost a cake) and move the pellets further into the hopper - then add another 15lbs. I have yet to be able to get the full 40lbs into the stove. I have played with the different pellet type settings and have found that the Normal Pellet setting runs the auger a fraction of a second slower but not enough to gain any significant time on a burn. I can see the back of my stove (see through fireplace that insert is in) and have timed the auger running to less than 1.2 seconds.
    Overall there are a lot of things about this stove that I like,,, looks, quality, quietness, flexibility, ease of cleaning, except for the glass which constantly blacks up only on the right side a flawed air wash system IMOpinion,,,, but at the end of the day, my neighbor has a low end Home Depot stove that heats a 2200 sq ft home that he runs around the clock on 1.5 bags a day - that is more what I was expecting with the M55 which is about triple the cost of the HD special.
    I have sent an e-mail off to the manufacturer and am hoping that their Tech support gets back to me with a resolution or explains what settings I should be running this beast on.
    Thanks
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    I swear I answered with almost the same answer as this last night (maybe my social six slid into the eight or nine range and I didn't post what i had typed). Not sure exactly how much my stove holds, but it seems to be closer to the 60 lbs as advertised. As stated by flynfrfun, I have to push my pellets back, I usually slide my hand under the pile and they settle into the back of the hopper.
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    Any stove that produces over 50K BTU's is going to eat some serious fuel. But on the good side is you'll be warm even in the cold. You could complain about the eating or complain about being cold! All I know is my stove has tons of needed horse power come the super cold season. Maybe you need to look into permanent pink pellets to reduce the heat loss?

    libirm asked me by PM. to post the approx feed rates on the M55's.

    #1= 1.5 LBS/HR
    #3= 3.3 LBS/HR
    #5= 6.5 LBS/HR

    Because of pellet variation(size-density) these numbers are appox.
  24. libirm

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    Nicely explained ...new to pellet stove world..this post makes complete sense..thank you J-T
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    Fred,
    One way to cut down on pellets is to drop the feed trim down to 1. Factory sets it at 3. It will help, but I don't think it's going to accomplish the big change you are looking for.

    Also, you need to make sure the damper is set correctly. I find mine likes a mag reading of around .15-.16. Of course this won't change the pellet usage, but will give you slightly more heat if optimized.
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