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Post in 'The Boiler Room - Wood Boilers and Furnaces' started by Hosted, Jan 9, 2009.

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  1. brad068

    brad068 Feeling the Heat

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    Excellent post leadog.

    Paul, I did forget that when I had drier wood with that burn scenario that I did set my timer for alittle over 2hrs. I'm use to what I'm setting my timer at now for the past month and a half seeing I have alot wetter wood.

    Paul do you yet understand why we use storage?
    When I burn a load I will never use all the btus generated by that one 2-3hr burn in that 2-3 hr time frame. I got to keep the fire burning full out to keep the combustion temps up so I need to dump the excess heat somewhere. And yes, I will lose a very,very little heat due to storing and circulating but I more than make up the difference in the complete and total combustion of that load of wood.

    When owbs cycle and have no refractory they loose alot up the chimney. That alot is completely burned in my boiler getting all the usable heat out of every ounce of wood. And the only way to due that is a constant full burn cycle.

    Moisture content does have something to due with slimey creosote but the majority of the slime is because the aromatic hydrocarbons cool and condense on the walls of the boiler water jacket. The boilers that don't have as much creosote are the ones that also run stack temps 900*f and above. Theres alot of usable btus in a 900*F+ stack temp. Mine runs about 240 and that with 2000*F+ in the secondary chamber

    I am having trouble believing that your boiler, when cranking out 400K-500K only has a stack temp @500*F with 25 gals of water.

    Another great addition of the garn system is that when there is a power failure at a full burn nothing happens( as long as you don't open the door!) The water storage Incorporated around the firebox absorbs any and all heat that will be generated right after power age. Thats the beauty of onboard storage. Now when yours has a power failure at full burn I have to agree with leaddog in that I think your unit will be ready for the scrapyard.

    Paul glad you calmed down and stopped shouting, but you still ain't going to sell me on one of your units.

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  2. heaterman

    heaterman Minister of Fire

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    Saints preserve us!!! How did I miss this thread?

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  3. Eric Johnson

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    Oh come on, heaterman. Might as well join the fun.

    I'm thinking about stickying this one both for its entertainment and educational value.
  4. webbie

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    Combustion aside, I have concerns about the boiler and jacket heat loss. The side walls look fairly thin, considering that a water jacket AND insulation has to be there - and the front appears to have relatively little or no insulation. It would seem that 15% or more of the heat produced is radiated to the great outdoors.
  5. stee6043

    stee6043 Minister of Fire

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    But the door is camoflauged, Webmaster....if you can't see the door can it really be a source of heat loss? Not different than "if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it...."

    ha.
  6. NWfuel

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    Maybe we need to take up a collection and send someone to Minnasota. However, I would never post pictures of my machine if no patent pending. Just my 2 scents, this leaves 3 senses available! Right Craig!
  7. Jackpine Savage

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    I've been following this thread, I'm not sure why, I certainly have other things I should be doing. But anyway, I went to town today, and as I was making a turn at the stoplight in Wadena, MN, what do I see but TWO Lilpowerhouse boilers on a trailer. The camo doors left no question. The guys pulling the trailer could probably hear me laughing as I thought about some of the comments on this thread.

    My question for the manufacturer is how well that 16 guage metal stands up to an overheat condition. I would guess you would definitely want a low water cut-off device.
  8. Rick Stanley

    Rick Stanley Feeling the Heat

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    All of you manufacturers, dealers, distributors, sales-reps and installers of wood heating equipment that pretty much rely on your gift as a B.S. artist to stay in business.

    BEWARE!! The car in your rear-view mirror could be a Hearth.com guy. We ARE everywhere................................... :coolgrin:
  9. Cheap wood heat

    Cheap wood heat New Member

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    Hey Jackpine
    You saw those boilers going out today that is great! Just sold them from this thread!
    This site has made my phone ring crazy with people ready to buy they are spending there tax return money for our product!
    Many people have already researched the d/d system and large water capacity and felt it was not only not cost effective but also a very complicated system to operate a nightmare to maintain and repair!
    My customers seem to realize that all the heat in the water where it can be lost compared to storing the heat in the wood is ridiculous.
    They say so little heat extraction surface so much heat loss surface area on the large water capacity!
    And the price they say!One customer said he felt it would take him the rest of his life just to break even on the Garn he was quoted on and he called his wood free!
    So lets keep talking so I keep making money and helping people who really need help in today's economy!!
    Keep up the good work guys!
    Thanks
    Paul
  10. sdrobertson

    sdrobertson Minister of Fire

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    Maybe you should contact the owner and advertise your product on this uneducated site and then the money will really roll in and help put all the country back to work.
  11. Cheap wood heat

    Cheap wood heat New Member

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    To all you gasification experts
    Tell everyone here what gasification is???
    Then for those of you looking to see if there answer is right look in webster dictionary for the answer!
    Every wood stove is a gasifier!!
  12. Cheap wood heat

    Cheap wood heat New Member

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    To SDRobertson
    Thanks for the advice but this seems to working just fine for me!!
  13. EForest

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    Hey Cheap,

    Y'all seem like a highly edyamakated guy. Thanks for all yer wysdumb.
    I fer one hav ejoyed these posts laetly.

    thanx sew mulch!
  14. brad068

    brad068 Feeling the Heat

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    This sounds like the preachings that David Koresh preached to his followers in that Branch Dividian compound mess. We all know how well that turned out for his followers :red:

    And everyone thought Yugo's were the hot item when they came over. Thats where I would categorize these boilers :coolsmile:

    I do believe that I could incinerate your entire boiler in my furnace if given the chance. Would you indulge me? :)
  15. Cheap wood heat

    Cheap wood heat New Member

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    Hey garnification Got a gasifier?? He He Ha Ha Ho Ho!!
    Please see webster dictionary on gasification!!
  16. Cheap wood heat

    Cheap wood heat New Member

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    Man I just can't believe no one here can answer the gasification question! Thought you guys who slam me and my product would know the answer!!
  17. brad068

    brad068 Feeling the Heat

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    Cheap heater, This is how I classify a gasification boiler compared to a force/natural draft boiler or furnace. I compare it to a oxy/acetylene torch. The later is like a flame burning with only acetylene and a gasification is burning with the perfect mix of both.

    Obviously yours is the latter, orange, pukey, soot filled flame. On the other hand the mix of the fuel, (acetylene) with the correct amount of oxygen ,BEFORE it hits the secondary burn chamber is where the two unit separate into two different categories. AGAIN, a secondary chamber. A true gasification burner will expel gases out of the fuel AND completely burn them.

    I just remembered, do you use a catalytic combustor on your boilers????
  18. Cheap wood heat

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    Hey Garnification
    Seems you made up a new definition for gasification to suit what you would like to say!
    Sell it to webster maybe!
    Seems you guys want me to give real descriptive answers and you make things up as you go !
    That's what makes this so good for me and why my phone is ringing!!
  19. Dave T

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    To any of the boiler room folks that bought this boiler,
    Give us an update, I wanna hear about customer service, the ability of the LPH personel to help you set up your system, what was your wait time to get the boiler, take us some pics so we can see the grates and air inlet positions, keep us updated on thoughts and functionality.. Thanks again BOILER ROOM AND IT'S PEOPLE for expanding the horizens and getting REAL WORLD FEEDBACK...Dave
  20. brad068

    brad068 Feeling the Heat

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    Cheap heater, Do you use a catalytic combustor in your boilers??
  21. Ugly

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    In order to accept that all boilers create gasification by the definition utilized in Websters, we'd first have to recognize Websters as the definitive scientific dictionary of our era. I don't. For an enhanced explanation of gasificiation, I'd like to turn your attention to Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia, something a little more concrete than a simple dictionary. I don't look in the phone book to learn to add or substract and neither do I look in the dictionary to learn science.

    Gasification relies on chemical processes at elevated temperatures >700°C, which distinguishes it from other processes. Gasification is essentially a process that converts carbonaceous materials, such as coal, petroleum, or biomass, into carbon monoxide and hydrogen.

    Regards
  22. Cheap wood heat

    Cheap wood heat New Member

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    Garnification
    And now that you bring up my silly thing about air to fuel mixture lets look at yours 350-400 cfms with 100#s of wood that is a pretty poor fuel to air mix !
    You said you were burning 100#s of oak in 3 hrs so we have 350 cfm's X 60 minutes X3 hours which is 42000 cubic feet of air through your unit per burn !
    And you say your efficient??
    Better do more research on fuel to air ration !!
    Does your torch still work if you give it too much oxygen?? No I didn't think so either!!
  23. brad068

    brad068 Feeling the Heat

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    I don’t look in the phone book to learn to add or subtract.

    That is hilarious, I have to remember that one!
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    I have been reading this forum for a while now, and had to make join to post on here. I would still like to see some pictures, movies, or hear some first hand information on one of these things. I plan on building an outdoor wood burner this summer and I was hoping to see some great idea to incorporate into mine, buy all that is going on now is people bickering. I would imagine there are more people watching this thread that would just like to see some of the questions that have been asked that makes this thing so efficient over the others in the world. Now we are worrying about what words mean.
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    I thought the Adobe thread was pretty big....... I think we're off track again. Definitions of gasification????????? Didn't this thread start out looking for any type of real pictures of the construction of the boiler, how is this thing made and out of what. I think everybody is curious --how about some close up photos of the burn chamber,video of a burn was mentioned earlier,etc,etc,etc. People are looking for some substance to back up your claims. This is what this forum and the web is for --information , learning........
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