Anybody want to provide feedback on this installation quote ... ?

[gouache23]

Morso 1440 - $1250
Labor - $1000
Permit - $180
Other supplies - $1182 (pipe, hearth pad, etc.)

I'd love to get confirmation that I'm not being taken for a ride ...

 

[DAKSY]

Could be reasonable.
How much work does the crew have to do?
Are they going thru a wall & up the outside?
How many floors?
What is the pitch of the roof?
What is the wall made of? Block? Poured concrete? Framed?
Are they going up through the inside?
How much connector pipe?
How much Class A?
Are offsets required?
Too many unknown variables...

 

[gouache23]

I've tried to answer the questions below, and I added an image!

Are they going thru a wall & up the outside? - The installer suggested going up through the attic and out the roof, rather than out the wall
How many floors? - One
What is the pitch of the roof? - Attached photo; it's basically a garage
What is the wall made of? Block? Poured concrete? Framed? - Framed
Are they going up through the inside? - That was the installer's suggestion
How much connector pipe? - I see a "40 to 68 inch telescoping pipe" on the quote ($201)
How much Class A? - Six feet ($267)
Are offsets required? - No I don't think so

 

[English BoB]

Morso 1440 - $1250
Labor - $1000
Permit - $180
Other supplies - $1182 (pipe, hearth pad, etc.)

I'd love to get confirmation that I'm not being taken for a ride ...

Get more quotes and compare.

bob

 

[gouache23]

That's a great suggestion, but we're in a rural area and there aren't a lot of options for people who can install a Morso

 

[English BoB]

That's a great suggestion, but we're in a rural area and there aren't a lot of options for people who can install a Morso

Then you are stuck with one installer and your only option is to negotiate a lower price.
Find a different stove. Install it your self, get some other help with tricky pieces.

bob

 

[bholler]

That's a great suggestion, but we're in a rural area and there aren't a lot of options for people who can install a Morso

Search the csia website for local sweeps just about any sweep can install it
http://www.csia.org/search
I dont know how many are in your area but do the search and see. The price doesn't seem out of line necessarily. $1000 for labor could be high but i cant see what is involved so it is hard to say

 

[Babaganoosh]

At that price I would do it myself. Not saying it isn't worth the cost. Just saying that I'd rather keep the 1000 for myself. You could buy a splitter with the savings. If it were a tricky installation then I would pay but that one looks simple. Plus it's all new parts. Probably not too hard.

 

[bholler]

If it were a tricky installation then I would pay but that one looks simple. Plus it's all new parts. Probably not too hard.

I am sorry but there is no way what so ever to tell much at all about the install from one pic from the outside. I would be worried about not having enough height on the stack though that stove calls for 16' above the stove

 

[claydogg84]

My first estimate was enough for me to realize I was going to do it myself.

 

[Fastdonzi]

The supplies don't seem that far off. I Paid $800 for 25' of 8" Flex liner, Then another $200 for the storm collar, chimney cap, insulation etc. My new stove and adapter (which I thought should come with it) and a 16" piece of 8" flex was $3,100.00 and I'll be installing it my self......

 

[bholler]

The supplies don't seem that far off. I Paid $800 for 25' of 8" Flex liner, Then another $200 for the storm collar, chimney cap, insulation etc. My new stove and adapter (which I thought should come with it) and a 16" piece of 8" flex was $3,100.00 and I'll be installing it my self......

That is a totally differnt type of install with drastically different materials so not really any comparison

 

[Babaganoosh]

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I am sorry but there is no way what so ever to tell much at all about the install from one pic from the outside. I would be worried about not having enough height on the stack though that stove calls for 16' above the stove

Wasn't just the one pic that I guesstimated with. He said basically a garage. If it was a converted garage then it's probably not a complicated install. If he reads all the directions, asks a few questions and has the correct skill set he should be fine. It's not as easy as pounding a nail but it's not rocket science either. If he has the slightest doubt then by all means pay the professional since the possible risk of a bad install isn't worth your house burning down. 1000 bucks is a bargain in that case.

 

[bholler]

Wasn't just the one pic that I guesstimated with. He said basically a garage. If it was a converted garage then it's probably not a complicated install. If he reads all the directions, asks a few questions and has the correct skill set he should be fine. It's not as easy as pounding a nail but it's not rocket science either. If he has the slightest doubt then by all means pay the professional since the possible risk of a bad install isn't worth your house burning down. 1000 bucks is a bargain in that case.

I do agree that in this case it probably is not going to be very hard and $1000 is probably pretty much. But to tell some one it will me simple with little to no info on the install i feel is not the right approach. I have seen many instals that on the surface looked pretty simple but once you really started to look things can quickly get complicated.

 

[Babaganoosh]

For the record I said "I" would do it myself as well as its "probably not too hard"

Not trying to start an argument but that's a far cry from you saying I was advising him to do it himself and telling him it's simple.

Some people don't even know that they can do the installation themselves. They hear permit and automatically think they gotta pay someone.

Anyway let's get back on topic.

 

[begreen]

The bid seems a bit high for what should be a simple install with minimal chimney. My first concern is that stove may not be too happy with 11 ft of flue. The manual recommends 16ft of flue.
"We recommend the length of the chimney system should be at least 16 feet (not required) above the stove in normal domestic situations, measured from the flue collar to the top of the chimney."

Also wondering how large an area is being heated? This is a small stove.

FYI, based on the avatar choice it appears that gouache is not a he. Not everyone is a handyman.

 

[Squirrel]

I had a Morso 1410 installed, had to be done professionally for insurance purposes.
Stove $1399 (Included a trucking fee)
Chimney $1790 (17' of Ventis 6" Class A through 2 storeys and a metal roof, adjustable double wall pipe, ceiling heat shield)
Hearth pad $300
Installation $560
Sales taxes $450 (We get "free" health care!)

 

[Fastdonzi]

Pretty good observation, I missed that

 

[gouache23]

Yes, I'm a she. And while I'm handy (have built furniture, installed floors, etc.) ... I'm not going to play with fire.

Thanks for catching the note about the 16' flue. I'll ask the installer about that.

Yes it's basically a converted garage. ~375 s.f. I do think that the install will be pretty straightforward, but I'm glad to hear that the quote is at least in the ballpark. I hate feeling like I might get taken, especially being female.

Any opinions on whether it's best to go straight through the roof, or out the side wall and up?

 

[Grisu]

Any opinions on whether it's best to go straight through the roof, or out the side wall and up?

Since you will have trouble even getting to the minimum length, a straight shot up and keeping the chimney as long as possible in the home envelope will be better for draft.

 

[begreen]

I've put a Morso 2110 in a yurt with a short chimney. It's not a perfect installation but it does ok with a less than perfect chimney. Not sure about the 1440, but I would try with 12' total flue. Straight up will be your best bet. Be sure they include a roof brace for the chimney at 5 ft above the roof. The other thing you will need to ensure success is fully seasoned wood. This can be a challenge if purchasing. It could be even more so with a stove that takes small 12" splits like the 1440. 16" is pretty standard in the US.

 

[gouache23]

Thanks for the feedback on straight vs flue through the wall everyone.

Interesting on the 12' flue install. Maybe we could add flue down the road if necessary ... ? I will ask about bracing the flue.

We have a neighbor that heats with wood full time, so he has a whole setup in his yard with a log splitter, etc. My hope is that perhaps he will let us borrow his rig, so we can get 12" logs more easily.

 

[begreen]

That is my thought. I would try it at 12' with the knowledge that it may require another 2-3 ft if performance is sluggish or smoke spillage is bad when opening the stove door.

Modern stoves really want dry wood. Firewood needs sufficient time to season. If it's oak, hickory or locust this usually means 2 yrs after it has been split and stacked with a cover on top. Your splits will be smaller for this little stove so the splits may dry out a bit faster. Your best bet would be to get some ash wood and stack it as soon as possible. If you can get some 12" ash now it should season well enough by fall. Stack so that the prevailing winds can blow through the stack and try to locate in a sunny area if possible.

 

[mellow]

I would also ask for doublewall not singlewall pipe if this will be a short stack, going to need every bit of heat for draft.

 

[begreen]

Definitely. Good suggestion!