Covid lockdown???

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tlc1976

Minister of Fire
Oct 7, 2012
846
Northwest Lower Michigan
This is extra tough for parents with kids in school and their teachers too. Most old farts can wait it out at home but that is not an option for many working couples with children.
I’m eternally thankful and lucky that my kid graduated in 2019 and I don’t have to keep running her back and forth to the city.
 
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ABMax24

Minister of Fire
Sep 18, 2019
1,086
Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
We are now fully open, no restrictions of any kind, as of August 31 testing for Covid will end except for those being hospitalized.

I'm not sure closing testing the symptomatic persons was the best plan, but I'm glad life is back to normal.
 
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SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
6,142
Downeast Maine
We are now fully open, no restrictions of any kind, as of August 31 testing for Covid will end except for those being hospitalized.

I'm not sure closing testing the symptomatic persons was the best plan, but I'm glad life is back to normal.

This happened in the US and now hospitals are filling up. Good luck!
 

semipro

Minister of Fire
Jan 12, 2009
4,064
SW Virginia
This is extra tough for parents with kids in school and their teachers too.
Most grade school classrooms are big Petri dishes.
It's an environment where it's hard enough to keep kids' hands out of their noses and pants and away from others.
Yeah, my wife is a teacher.
If COVID-19 evolves into something that impacts the young in full force, schools will be a battlefield.
Yet, the anti-maskers are out in full force at school board meetings, yelling, using force, willing to put their children, other children, and teachers at increased risk, and for what?
I fully understand and support the idea of strengthening immunity through limited exposure to pathogens - that's pretty much what a vaccine does.
What I don't understand are those willing to put others a risk in doing so.
Your rights shouldn't allow you to endanger others.
 

stoveliker

Minister of Fire
Nov 17, 2019
1,574
Eastern Long Island NY
This is simply a symbolic issue now, nothing to do with opinions about the utility of masks. I asked my kids what they think about masks in school. They said "why? I prefer no mask but it's not a big deal."

In fact when they come home (from anything), I often have to tell them that they can take their masks off. Half an hour after they are back at home... (!!) Indeed they have adapted and it's evidently not a big deal to them...
 

peakbagger

Minister of Fire
Jul 11, 2008
6,486
Northern NH
Kids are incredibly adaptable, their parents are far less so.
 

Medic21

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2017
1,133
Northern Indiana
The number of vaccinated hospitalizations are increasing. There is clearly a problem.

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The raw data says otherwise.
 

SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
6,142
Downeast Maine

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The raw data says otherwise.
Here's some raw data that says otherwise: https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coro...-people-have-died-from-covid-in-mass/2463080/

Here is some data: https://www.statesmanjournal.com/st...rows-lower-rate-than-unvaccinated/5507123001/

Breakthrough cases that result in hospitalizations are increasing. Say what you want, things are getting worse for everyone, not just unvaccinated people.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
89,675
South Puget Sound, WA
They are filling up but, the admissions are unvaccinated individuals.
And most under 35 yrs old. The alarming thing is watching pediatric wards filling up with children under 5. This is a national tragedy.
 

Medic21

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2017
1,133
Northern Indiana
Here's some raw data that says otherwise: https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coro...-people-have-died-from-covid-in-mass/2463080/

Here is some data: https://www.statesmanjournal.com/st...rows-lower-rate-than-unvaccinated/5507123001/

Breakthrough cases that result in hospitalizations are increasing. Say what you want, things are getting worse for everyone, not just unvaccinated people.
MASS is a .0002% and OR is a .0016% and around 7% of the breakthrough cases are hospitalized. Combine that with the average age of death at 82 and life expectancy is 78 in the US.

those articles equal the other one on breakthrough cases, still an extremely low percentage and I never saw anything that said this wasn’t expected from the beginning of the vaccination process.

it’s working as designed and keeping almost all out of the hospital.
 

SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
6,142
Downeast Maine
Amazing to see even EMS pax in denial.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
89,675
South Puget Sound, WA
Here's some raw data that says otherwise: https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coro...-people-have-died-from-covid-in-mass/2463080/

Here is some data: https://www.statesmanjournal.com/st...rows-lower-rate-than-unvaccinated/5507123001/

Breakthrough cases that result in hospitalizations are increasing. Say what you want, things are getting worse for everyone, not just unvaccinated people.
With a breakthrough rate of .002% being reported, the Boston article confirms how well the vaccines are protecting people.
"In about three-quarter of the breakthrough cases, the patients reported having underlying conditions, the department said. The median age of those who died was 82.5 years.
The deaths represent a tiny fraction -- about 0.002 percent -- of all fully vaccinated individuals in the state, according to state health officials."


I found the Oregon article to be a bit frustrating due to incomplete information. For example, of the 4 deaths reported it doesn't say if they were vaccinated or not. And for the new breakthrough cases being reported, what vaccine did they get? Did they get both shots if Moderna or Pfizer? And what percentage is this of the whole population, what demographic?
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
89,675
South Puget Sound, WA
This is their choice. We can’t dictate and shouldn’t mandate anything in this country like this.
Not their choice, often the kids don't have any say in this. In other situations, there is history behind the reticence to get vaccinated that has to be overcome. Many Latinos and people of color have an understandable and somewhat justified distrust of US govt-led programs.
 
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Medic21

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2017
1,133
Northern Indiana
Amazing to see even EMS pax in denial.
I’m in denial off nothing. It’s a virus. One like we’ve never dealt with. All we have done is prolong it with all of the shut downs, masks, etc. all I’ve ever heard here from the beginning is how I’m wrong and irresponsible. Going to the gym and taking care of myself during the worst of it. Must have worked because I have antibodies and was never sick. I’ve probably had more exposures than 100 of you combined and my wife more and she’s negative for antibodies. Now we are seeing that the vaccine works first hand, at a higher rate than initially thought.

everyone has become an expert and most don’t know their head from their ass. Shut off the talk shows and politicians and block out all the noise. Love your life how you think you should and go on.
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
25,573
central pa
I’m in denial off nothing. It’s a virus. One like we’ve never dealt with. All we have done is prolong it with all of the shut downs, masks, etc. all I’ve ever heard here from the beginning is how I’m wrong and irresponsible. Going to the gym and taking care of myself during the worst of it. Must have worked because I have antibodies and was never sick. I’ve probably had more exposures than 100 of you combined and my wife more and she’s negative for antibodies. Now we are seeing that the vaccine works first hand, at a higher rate than initially thought.

everyone has become an expert and most don’t know their head from their ass. Shut off the talk shows and politicians and block out all the noise. Love your life how you think you should and go on.
I am curious how the shut downs prolonged the virus in your mind.
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
25,573
central pa
Seeing how the virus wasn’t stopped and is still active. It’s like staying in a bunker with a sniper waiting to get you. 10 days later the sniper is still there, he wasn’t stopped.
Ok but how did they prolong it?
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
25,573
central pa
The way I see it the lockdowns kept more people safe untill the vaccines could be developed and administered. Of course just locking down will do nothing
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
25,573
central pa
I’m in denial off nothing. It’s a virus. One like we’ve never dealt with. All we have done is prolong it with all of the shut downs, masks, etc. all I’ve ever heard here from the beginning is how I’m wrong and irresponsible. Going to the gym and taking care of myself during the worst of it. Must have worked because I have antibodies and was never sick. I’ve probably had more exposures than 100 of you combined and my wife more and she’s negative for antibodies. Now we are seeing that the vaccine works first hand, at a higher rate than initially thought.

everyone has become an expert and most don’t know their head from their ass. Shut off the talk shows and politicians and block out all the noise. Love your life how you think you should and go on.
Also you say you have antibodies but never had symptoms. How many people do you think you could have infected while you were an asymptomatic carrier? Did they all do as well as you?
 

clancey

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2021
1,398
Colorado
I do not think anybody should mandate anything especially masking young children as well as giving people who had the virus their right to not vaccinate if they wish not too..There is a lot of literature out there that a lot of you would never read because you label it and everything that's against your thinking a conspiracy theory...I and people like me have a voice too..My brother got the vaccine and in two days he was in the hospital with breathing and heart problems---that he never had before...in three weeks on a ventilator and when they took him off of it--he died..He was almost 77 years old..He died April 2nd 2021..Right after he got the vaccine...Give people the freedom to choose and stop denigrating their decisions because there is a lot of lies out there and its not wonder people do not trust with all the bs fauci has said as well as the cdc...If I had kids in school I would find a way to home school them or maybe send them to a private school or maybe get together with a block effort in the neighborhood and try to hire professional teachers to teach the young one...until that stupid mask mandate is over with as well as forcing people to get the vaccine against their wishes and why not give natural immunity a chance but now too much of the vaccine is already given and other people are getting it from them as they have their break out cases...clancey
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
25,573
central pa
I do not think anybody should mandate anything especially masking young children as well as giving people who had the virus their right to not vaccinate if they wish not too..There is a lot of literature out there that a lot of you would never read because you label it and everything that's against your thinking a conspiracy theory...I and people like me have a voice too..My brother got the vaccine and in two days he was in the hospital with breathing and heart problems---that he never had before...in three weeks on a ventilator and when they took him off of it--he died..He was almost 77 years old..He died April 2nd 2021..Right after he got the vaccine...Give people the freedom to choose and stop denigrating their decisions because there is a lot of lies out there and its not wonder people do not trust with all the bs fauci has said as well as the cdc...If I had kids in school I would find a way to home school them or maybe send them to a private school or maybe get together with a block effort in the neighborhood and try to hire professional teachers to teach the young one...until that stupid mask mandate is over with as well as forcing people to get the vaccine against their wishes and why not give natural immunity a chance but now too much of the vaccine is already given and other people are getting it from them as they have their break out cases...clancey
We gave natural herd immunity a chance and it cost 617000 Americans their lives. And roughly 4.3 million world wide.

What is so horrible about masks? I still wear one every day my kids have no problem at all wearing them. I don't see the problem.

The fact is the percentage of people who have died from the vaccine is . 0018%. So while a truley am deeply sorry about your brother the risks from the vaccine are extremely low. And what do you think would have happened if he had gotten covid?
 
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bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
25,573
central pa
As far as labeling thing conspiracy theories. If there is no actual evidence to support the claims what would you call it?
 
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