Covid lockdown???

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Medic21

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2017
1,132
Northern Indiana
Also you say you have antibodies but never had symptoms. How many people do you think you could have infected while you were an asymptomatic carrier? Did they all do as well as you?
I would have stayed home and quarantined, collecting the extra unemployment, in a heartbeat. Hell I’d still be doing it living off the governments teet if I could have. Maybe all healthcare workers should have gotten tested everyday before work. I tested positive for antibodies when the test was released a year ago May. That was before the PCR tests were made readily available for all people that wanted them.

And, frankly, as I didn’t even know I had it, or maybe it’s a false positive, I could care less but, none of the coworkers I was with got it from me and we shared a living quarters for 24hrs at a time.

That’s such a tired argument and subject anymore. It’s been 18 months you need new material.
 

Medic21

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2017
1,132
Northern Indiana
We gave natural herd immunity a chance and it cost 617000 Americans their lives. And roughly 4.3 million world wide.

What is so horrible about masks? I still wear one every day my kids have no problem at all wearing them. I don't see the problem.

I hear just about every anti vax person I talk to say they had a relative or friend who died from the vaccine. The fact is the percentage of people who have died from the vaccine is . 0018% so I really have to question how many of those people are being truthful. If that really did happen to your brother I am deeply sorry. But what do you think would have happened if he had gotten covid?
617k died with Covid, not necessarily from Covid. Just because they tested positive at death does not mean their heart attack, stroke, traumatic injury, etc was a direct result of Covid. The death number ONLY represents those that had Covid at death. Before you say it I understand comorbid processes. It’s no different than the person that has a bad heart that dies of trauma that a healthy person would have survived. They are listed in the traumatic death category.

There are no real numbers other than the positivity rate.
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
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I would have stayed home and quarantined, collecting the extra unemployment, in a heartbeat. Hell I’d still be doing it living off the governments teet if I could have. Maybe all healthcare workers should have gotten tested everyday before work. I tested positive for antibodies when the test was released a year ago May. That was before the PCR tests were made readily available for all people that wanted them.

And, frankly, as I didn’t even know I had it, or maybe it’s a false positive, I could care less but, none of the coworkers I was with got it from me and we shared a living quarters for 24hrs at a time.

That’s such a tired argument and subject anymore. It’s been 18 months you need new material.
You mean relying on the proven scientific fact that asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus is a tired argument?? Can you elaborate a bit more?

I still haven't heard any explanation of how lockdowns extended the virus.

And just for the record I worked the whole time as well other than a quarantine period when our employee got covid.

617k died with Covid, not necessarily from Covid. Just because they tested positive at death does not mean their heart attack, stroke, traumatic injury, etc was a direct result of Covid. The death number ONLY represents those that had Covid at death. Before you say it I understand comorbid processes. It’s no different than the person that has a bad heart that dies of trauma that a healthy person would have survived. They are listed in the traumatic death category.

There are no real numbers other than the positivity rate.
The numbers are based upon the cause of death listed on the death certificate. Just because a deceased person tested positive does not mean that was listed as cause of death. That’s such a tired argument and subject anymore. It’s been 18 months you need new material.
 

Medic21

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Feb 26, 2017
1,132
Northern Indiana
You mean relying on the proven scientific fact that asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus is a tired argument?? Can you elaborate a bit more?

I still haven't heard any explanation of how lockdowns extended the virus.

And just for the record I worked the whole time as well other than a quarantine period when our employee got covid.


The numbers are based upon the cause of death listed on the death certificate. Just because a deceased person tested positive does not mean that was listed as cause of death. That’s such a tired argument and subject anymore. It’s been 18 months you need new material.
It’s been, from the beginning, counted in the Covid number whether it was the cause or considered a contributing cause. All positive cases are in that number.
 

Medic21

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2017
1,132
Northern Indiana
You mean relying on the proven scientific fact that asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus is a tired argument?? Can you elaborate a bit more?

I still haven't heard any explanation of how lockdowns extended the virus.

And just for the record I worked the whole time as well other than a quarantine period when our employee got covid.


The numbers are based upon the cause of death listed on the death certificate. Just because a deceased person tested positive does not mean that was listed as cause of death. That’s such a tired argument and subject anymore. It’s been 18 months you need new material.
And, if the lockdown would have worked no one that locked down would have gotten Covid and it would have ceased to exist over a year ago.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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And, if the lockdown would have worked no one that locked down would have gotten Covid and it would have ceased to exist over a year ago.
The lockdown did work, quite effectively, for communities that really locked down. However, a large portion of the populace had to continue working and risked exposure by doing so. Then there were the deniers that increased exposures. If one caught covid and did not have a serious outcome, that is fate and luck. It was not so for many and now with the delta variant, youth is no longer a protecting factor. This is a dynamic situation and the worst problem is that disease was turned into a culture war.
 
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bholler

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It’s been, from the beginning, counted in the Covid number whether it was the cause or considered a contributing cause. All positive cases are in that number.
That is simply not true.
 

bholler

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And, if the lockdown would have worked no one that locked down would have gotten Covid and it would have ceased to exist over a year ago.
Still waiting to hear how the lockdown extended covid.

The lockdowns were never meant to destroy the virus. They were meant to protect people.
 

tlc1976

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Oct 7, 2012
846
Northwest Lower Michigan
I’m in denial off nothing. It’s a virus. One like we’ve never dealt with. All we have done is prolong it with all of the shut downs, masks, etc. all I’ve ever heard here from the beginning is how I’m wrong and irresponsible. Going to the gym and taking care of myself during the worst of it. Must have worked because I have antibodies and was never sick. I’ve probably had more exposures than 100 of you combined and my wife more and she’s negative for antibodies. Now we are seeing that the vaccine works first hand, at a higher rate than initially thought.

everyone has become an expert and most don’t know their head from their ass. Shut off the talk shows and politicians and block out all the noise. Love your life how you think you should and go on.

Luckily you must have the type of body chemistry that fairs well against Covid. There are theories about blood proteins but I don’t think anyone knows for sure. Why we got 20 year old athletes dropping dead, yet 90 year old smokers with copd and other things that barely get a sniffle. And everything in between. Severity does seem to run in families which makes me think it is indeed inherited factors. My daughter got knocked down pretty good with it, I don’t want to find out for myself how I’d do.
 
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Medic21

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Luckily you must have the type of body chemistry that fairs well against Covid. There are theories about blood proteins but I don’t think anyone knows for sure. Why we got 20 year old athletes dropping dead, yet 90 year old smokers with copd and other things that barely get a sniffle. And everything in between. Severity does seem to run in families which makes me think it is indeed inherited factors. My daughter got knocked down pretty good with it, I don’t want to find out for myself how I’d do.
There very well may be truth in that. 2 1/2 decades of being exposed to all kinds of viruses day in and day out and it’s rare for me to get sick. Last time I got sick was after welding 10hrs a day for a week straight. Before that was in the first 2 weeks I was in Iraq
 
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begreen

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It was reported today that "Florida, Arkansas and Louisiana all have more people hospitalized with COVID-19 than at any other point in the pandemic, and nursing staffs are badly strained. "
What the lockdown did was to reduce the spread and caseload on our hospitals and medical staff. With a relaxing of rules, caseloads are escalating badly. Looks like this will get worse before it gets better, especially as the weather gets colder and schools resume in-class teaching.
 
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stoveliker

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Nov 17, 2019
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Eastern Long Island NY
Regarding vaccine mandates, I hope they do. My kids already have to have the MMR vaccines (and what else) to be allowed in school. All of us don't have polio because of mandated vaccines. Adding COVID to this helps a great deal getting this under control.

And I hope that planes, trains, sports venues, cinemas, hotels will not let people in that are not vaccinated. As in: yes, you're free to not get vaccinated, but you won't be able to enjoy some privileges.
 

firefighterjake

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Jul 22, 2008
19,408
Unity/Bangor, Maine
This is simply a symbolic issue now, nothing to do with opinions about the utility of masks. I asked my kids what they think about masks in school. They said "why? I prefer no mask but it's not a big deal."

In fact when they come home (from anything), I often have to tell them that they can take their masks off. Half an hour after they are back at home... (!!) Indeed they have adapted and it's evidently not a big deal to them...

This past year this was my experience as well at the one school I was invited into . . . the kids really rolled with the times and to be frank were better at masking, dealing with spacing issues, etc. than many of the adults.
 

begreen

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. the kids really rolled with the times and to be frank were better at masking, dealing with spacing issues, etc. than many of the adults.
In many cases, the adults are acting more like juveniles than the kids.
 

firefighterjake

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Jul 22, 2008
19,408
Unity/Bangor, Maine
It was reported today that "Florida, Arkansas and Louisiana all have more people hospitalized with COVID-19 than at any other point in the pandemic, and nursing staffs are badly strained. "
What the lockdown did was to reduce the spread and caseload on our hospitals and medical staff. With a relaxing of rules, caseloads are escalating badly. Looks like this will get worse before it gets better, especially as the weather gets colder and schools resume in-class teaching.

My wife -- an RN -- has been out of work for medical reasons. She should be cleared to go back to work if she wants in a few weeks. Personally, I am in no rush for her to go back unless she really wants to do so . . . and not just from the covid concerns. She was often working short staffed before covid and had to run multiple floors and had a high patient load -- I can only assume things are even worse now.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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Hope no one needs serious medical care right now. My son's partner had serious complications yesterday evening, the suspicion being food poisoning from some to-go food. Called 9-11 and they needed to get her to an ER. Had to go two towns up to Edmunds because Seattle hospitals have no beds. This wave is exploding fast.
 

semipro

Minister of Fire
Jan 12, 2009
4,064
SW Virginia
I’ll just leave this here :

It's misleading at best to say that masks don't work against airborne pathogens in aerosols. Objective testing overwhelmingly shows that they do.
Mask use and social distancing practically stopped the spread of another aerosolized virus, influenza.
 

Medic21

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Feb 26, 2017
1,132
Northern Indiana
Hope no one needs serious medical care right now. My son's partner had serious complications yesterday evening, the suspicion being food poisoning from some to-go food. Called 9-11 and they needed to get her to an ER. Had to go two towns up to Edmunds because Seattle hospitals have no beds. This wave is exploding fast.
I’ve been saying for two weeks that what is coming this fall will make previous “waves” look small.
 

semipro

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SW Virginia
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thewoodlands

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Foothills of The Adirondacks
We have 77 new cases since Tuesday, that's the second big jump we had cases in the last two weeks.
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