If you tried to run storage with one of those you would be lighting a fire every time you filled it. And getting a coal bed for it to run would have you so pissed you would never use it.I think the new Heatmaster G series are designed to be used without storage...among others...
A HeatMaster G7000. As was mentioned a completely different animal than the indoor style gassers with separate storage.What stove are you running?
I’ve been looking at the G7000, you think that would be enough stove for my application?A HeatMaster G7000. As was mentioned a completely different animal than the indoor style gassers with separate storage.
It stays the cleanest loading for 12 hours, but I could do 16/8 with no issues.
My experience over the years has been that conventional style units can tolerate the 24 hour loading pattern better, but the gassers get more forgiving with every year model changes.
You can buy a conventional unit, be aware that burning coal while heating your house or connecting to a commercial building is your only legal use.
7400 is the biggest gasser they build, I need to compare the specs on the crown and the heat master. Pretty much narrowed it down to those two brands.The 7500 E Crown Royal would be plenty big enough and will probably give you those 24 hour burns unless it got really cold out. Check out Unleashed Outdoors on YouTube for some good videos. He is a dealer and is heating about what you want to.
I meant mud would be caused by a buried tank of water, not an OWB.I see a lot of misconceptions on the OWB gassers. Yes, you can easily size it to run 24 hours. They do better at the 12 hour mark but, if you did the 16 and 8 you would be fine.
I can load my multi pass once a day and it burns clean still down to about zero degrees before it has too much of a load. I load before work and after work, this will be the first winter in many years I’m not on 24hr shifts.
There is no “idling” with an OWB as it shuts air off to it when it’s not calling for heat and is airtight without the induction fans blowing. The coal bed stays hot and it will fire right up when needed.
As far as the mud around it. No, the line set is insulated enough and goes into the backwhere it is insulated. I have snow under my boiler that never melts. And, I can buy the line sets at$12-$13 dollars a foot all day long.
You will have to buy a Gasser unless you have commercial applications. The 7500 E Crown Royal would be plenty big enough and will probably give you those 24 hour burns unless it got really cold out. Check out Unleashed Outdoors on YouTube for some good videos. He is a dealer and is heating about what you want to.
They are more like a modulated boiler than something that needs storage. The storage route is expensive and will require a pressurized system be open system. Completely different animals.
I think my phone changed that on man.7400 is the biggest gasser they build, I need to compare the specs on the crown and the heat master. Pretty much narrowed it down to those two brands.
I think the house and garage would be a good fit for the G7000. Not sure what you mean by heating the patio- snowmelt?My new house is much better built and insulated. Just over 4000 sq ft and half is forced air and the other half is heated concrete floor. Have a 1200 sq ft out building that insulated well and has pex in the floor for radiant heat but no manifolds or boiler hooked to it yet. Also have plans to pour a new 600-700 sq ft patio with the ability to heat it.
So I’m looking at an OWB that can handle 7,000 sq ft.
I bet an O2 controlled outdoor gasser is every bit as efficient as the Kuuma VF100, which is to say pretty great. If I needed a wood hydronic system those G series gassers seem pretty nice.I think the house and garage would be a good fit for the G7000. Not sure what you mean by heating the patio- snowmelt?
So that could be a variable, as it would be intermittent.
They do have a G10,000 now also.
If you're gone long days you're still gonna want to check it morning and evening (even if it's 16+ hours apart), if nothing else just to bump the wood together. It takes 2 minutes and it'll burn better. The key thing with the G models I've seen I'd letting it burn down to a coal bed once a day. Don't top it off constantly.
The O2 sensor on the new G's helps it run clean even when loaded heavy, something they didn't have with the 2019 models.
Yes i have 1000 gal of storage.I take it that you are using extra storage. What you guys are saying is that if a guy was to go buy a new gasification boiler, you can’t run it without extra storage?
One of the reasons i built a building for mine.Oof, didn’t think about that. Was hoping it would heat the pad some, to keep the firewood nice and dry.
Probably.I bet an O2 controlled outdoor gasser is every bit as efficient as the Kuuma VF100
Simple is good when it comes to replacing electronics. How about overall build quality? One seem better than the other, or is it like a Ford/Chevy thing?I think my phone changed that on man.
I think the Heat Master units are awesome and well built also but, the Crown Royal is a lot more simple and less electronics. Just something to think about.
The O2 sensor can tell how much unburned fuel there is in the smoke stream and make adjusments to the air intake to clean up the exhaust. A boiler without an O2 sensor will just open up the air when there is a call for heat and then close it. Much like how an auto tune saw can monitor the exhaust and make changes to the fueling.You might as well be speaking a different language.
To me they are both quality craftsmanship. Of all the OWB on the market those two companies have the best support and will actually stand by their product. The most well known has a track record of piss poor service after the sale, I won’t bash any company unless it’s HY-C.Simple is good when it comes to replacing electronics. How about overall build quality? One seem better than the other, or is it like a Ford/Chevy thing?
Crown made very little changes to meet the 2020 guidelines. Looks mainly like the nozzle and refractory were changed, actually better nowThe HeatMaster G models have an O2 sensor. I don't think Crown does but I haven't seen this year model.
I burned coal for a few weeks last year. It’s a different animal and it needs to be pretty cold out to keep it burning. It does burn extremely clean though.If I were in the market I wouldn't consider anything other than the G series gasser, but I also don't have access to cheap bulk coal deliveries. If you can get cheap coal the multi-pass doesn't seem like a bad deal, but I would stress about the heavy metal content of the coal...
I do like that anthracite is smokeless and I did consider a dual fuel cookstove, but the heavy metals in the emissions turns me off.I burned coal for a few weeks last year. It’s a different animal and it needs to be pretty cold out to keep it burning. It does burn extremely clean though.