dutchwest 2479 or blaze king princess 1006

[SolarAndWood]

Personally I think the Hearthstone Mansfield would kick any our stoves butts.

Maybe in a beauty contest, but not in a 7 month heating competition.

 

[North of 60]

Personally I think the Hearthstone Mansfield would kick any our stoves butts.

Maybe in a beauty contest, but not in a 7 month heating competition.

Please do not anger the STOVE GOD. :lol: Sometimes an old horse is an old horse. I would love to jam one of these stoves into his house for one winter of loading setting and forgetting. Oh ya I forgot, we are part of a cult. %-P

 

[Hiram Maxim]

That's because you did such a nice job on the surrounding setting. Now get that blue painter's tape off the countertop!

Be Green,

Thanks for the compliment.

That picture is when I was finishing up back in Feb.
Note My Kitchen didn't have flooring yet either.

 

[tradergordo]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. This is a pic of the stove he was considering (The 2479):

For a lower cost stove, I love the look of the 2479, but looks are probably close to the bottom of the list of things you should consider when buying a stove.

I guess........ I'm all alone here because I don't find this stove to be ugly

(broken link removed)

 

[BigBlockChevy]

Yeah and for some guys a small block 350 ci in. gives them all they need.....Unless they have driven a 632 cu in Big Block, they have no idea what they are missing! But once they get their hands on the cubic inches, power and range of operation, they never look back at all the little guys in the rear view mirror.

 

[begreen]

One thing for sure, they ain't missing the gas pump.

 

[Rich L]

Personally I think the Hearthstone Mansfield would kick any our stoves butts.

Maybe in a beauty contest, but not in a 7 month heating competition.

One thing I like about the Mansfield better than the King is that without the fan the King can't generate the heat of the Mansfield.The Mansfield doesn't need a fan to heat an area well.The King does.The King without the fan on can't touch the Mansfield for heating an area.The ideal stove would be for the Mansfield to have the Blaze King's ability for longer heat times.Ya make a catalytic Mansfield using Blaze King technology now that would be heaven on earth.

 

[Hiram Maxim]

One thing for sure, they ain't missing the gas pump.

No Doubt ;-P

 

[Hiram Maxim]

Beautiful looking home! Did you see that Wall of Flame deal at blazeking's web site. You can email pictures of your installation in your home and they then send out free prizes. I just forget to get a picture all the time.

Out west, we love the Blaze King's and cast iron stoves are not as popular.

Good looking installation!

Thank you!

I didn't before your post.

 

[Hiram Maxim]

Which did you purchase first, the Mannsfield or the BK Princess? Was one purchased becasue the other could not do the job alone? Perhaps you just have a large home?

Some time ago my uncle the plumber said "you got that wood stove running on your porch keeping your furnace from coming on,don't let your pipes freeze in the cellar for lack of heat".So afterwards I put a stove in the cellar to prevent any frozen pipe issues.First stove was a woodstock classic which was too small so I moved up to the hearthstone mansfield which is just right.Ya I'm heating four floors including the cellar so I do need two stoves.I've had some cellulous blown in the walls however the house is still drafty so I'm in the process of pulling down the siding and putting up sheet insulation on the outside and then re-install the siding over it.The house is better as far as drafts go but not good enough for me.I have the Blaze King King not the Princess and the Mansfield was purchased first,

I think I have asked you this before? But How many square feet are you heating with the BK?

Thank you,Hiram

 

[SolarAndWood]

The King without the fan on can't touch the Mansfield for heating an area.The ideal stove would be for the Mansfield to have the Blaze King's ability for longer heat times.Ya make a catalytic Mansfield using Blaze King technology now that would be heaven on earth.

Hey Rich, do you have side shields on your stove? I have thought about ripping the side shields off my Ultra to reduce the dependence on the fan. I agree with you, I would never recommend to anyone to buy one without the blowers. I don't use it on low burn, but when I am on 12 hour cold weather burn cycles the blower is on.

 

[ddddddden]

Personally I think the Hearthstone Mansfield would kick any our stoves butts.

Maybe in a beauty contest, but not in a 7 month heating competition.

The ideal stove would be for the Mansfield to have the Blaze King's ability for longer heat times. Ya make a catalytic Mansfield using Blaze King technology now that would be heaven on earth.

In case anyone missed the initial hype, WS is reported to be working on just such a beast. . .except for the BK-style thermostat, but who knows. About the only thing we do know is that it's going to be a bigger WS. Considering that their largest current offering is 2.2 cu ft, I wouldn't be surprised to see something Mansfield-size next year from WS. See "New Woodstock" thread.

 

[Rich L]

Which did you purchase first, the Mannsfield or the BK Princess? Was one purchased becasue the other could not do the job alone? Perhaps you just have a large home?

Some time ago my uncle the plumber said "you got that wood stove running on your porch keeping your furnace from coming on,don't let your pipes freeze in the cellar for lack of heat".So afterwards I put a stove in the cellar to prevent any frozen pipe issues.First stove was a woodstock classic which was too small so I moved up to the hearthstone mansfield which is just right.Ya I'm heating four floors including the cellar so I do need two stoves.I've had some cellulous blown in the walls however the house is still drafty so I'm in the process of pulling down the siding and putting up sheet insulation on the outside and then re-install the siding over it.The house is better as far as drafts go but not good enough for me.I have the Blaze King King not the Princess and the Mansfield was purchased first,

I think I have asked you this before? But How many square feet are you heating with the BK?

I'm not sure of the square footage I'm heating with then BK.The area is two and a half floors.Enclosed porch,front half of the first floor,second and third floors.It has to be at least 2000 sq.

Thank you,Hiram

 

[Rich L]

The King without the fan on can't touch the Mansfield for heating an area.The ideal stove would be for the Mansfield to have the Blaze King's ability for longer heat times.Ya make a catalytic Mansfield using Blaze King technology now that would be heaven on earth.

Hey Rich, do you have side shields on your stove? I have thought about ripping the side shields off my Ultra to reduce the dependence on the fan. I agree with you, I would never recommend to anyone to buy one without the blowers. I don't use it on low burn, but when I am on 12 hour cold weather burn cycles the blower is on.

I don't have any side shields on the King and yes the fan is a must except maybe during the shoulder months.

 

[Rich L]

Personally I think the Hearthstone Mansfield would kick any our stoves butts.

Maybe in a beauty contest, but not in a 7 month heating competition.

The ideal stove would be for the Mansfield to have the Blaze King's ability for longer heat times. Ya make a catalytic Mansfield using Blaze King technology now that would be heaven on earth.

In case anyone missed the initial hype, WS is reported to be working on just such a beast. . .except for the BK-style thermostat, but who knows. About the only thing we do know is that it's going to be a bigger WS. Considering that their largest current offering is 2.2 cu ft, I wouldn't be surprised to see something Mansfield-size next year from WS. See "New Woodstock" thread.

What puzzles me about Woodstock's technology is that they don't boast of the heat times like the Blaze king people do.It might suggest that BK has more advanced technology.I'm thinking that even a bigger Woodstock stove may still not get the extended heat times of the BK.The BK people know something that the other companies don't.If their knowledge could be applied to the other stoves it would take wood burning to a new level.

 

[ddddddden]

I dunno why more companies don't use a bimetallic coil autodraft. The technology is nothing new. I've seen crawlspace vents that use the same mechanism. BK does boast the longest times. Woodstock boasts 10-12 hrs. Did you find that?

 

[Rich L]

I dunno why more companies don't use a bimetallic coil autodraft. The technology is nothing new. I've seen crawlspace vents that use the same mechanism. BK does boast the longest times. Woodstock boasts 10-12 hrs. Did you find that?

My Classic and fireview could only give me about nine hours.So the coil is the difference maker for longer burns ?

 

[SolarAndWood]

My Classic and fireview could only give me about nine hours.So the coil is the difference maker for longer burns ?

I bet I can get three times as much wood in the King as I did in my old cat stove. I get three times the burn time now.

 

[ddddddden]

No doubt that some of the mojo is in the coil. Ginormous firebox never hurts. WS is saying 10-12 hrs in a 2.2 cu ft box. Would a 4.4 cu ft "King-Size" WS get 20-24 hrs w/o a coil? Probably not. I see a WS 50% larger than the FV, just as the FV is 50% larger than the Keystone. So ~ 3.3 cu ft burning 12-14+ hrs. Easy considering 12 hrs for the Mansfield. At some point, extending the burn time just becomes an exercise because the btu/hr drops below the level of what many consider to be "useful" output. . .hence the many calling foul on BK's boast of 40 hrs. I just read that the Princess is available in a non-cat version. It would be interesting to find out what the burn time is w/o the cat. Anyone feel like calling the factory? I'm thinking that the trick probably doesn't work without a cat. Then again, other cat stoves are not reporting "BK times," so yeah, I'll buy that the coil makes the difference. But the real mojo is probably in tuning the whole thing as a system and optimizing low-output performance.

 

[Rich L]

No doubt that some of the mojo is in the coil. Ginormous firebox is part of it too. WS is saying 10-12 hrs in a 2.2 cu ft box. Would a 4.4 cu ft "King-Size" WS get 20-24 hrs w/o a coil? Probably not. . .my psychic third eye can see a WS 50% larger than the FV @3.3 cu ft running 12-14 hrs. At some point, extending the burn time becomes a technical exercise because the btu/hr drops below the level of what many consider to be "useful" output. . .hence the many calls of foul on BK's boast of 40 hrs. I think I just read that the Princess is available in a non-cat version. It would be interesting to find out what the burn time is w/o the cat. Anyone feel like calling the factory? I'm thinking that the trick probably doesn't work without a cat. Then again, other cat stoves are not reporting "BK times," so yeah, I'll buy that the coil makes the difference. But the real mojo is probably in tuning the whole thing as a system and optimizing low-output performance.

Whatever it actually is,BK ain't telling.

 

[ddddddden]

Google says that the bimetallic coil is 200+ years old. As I was just saying in another thread, PE's "patented" EBT uses a bimetallic coil. Sounds similar to BK, but Mr. Green says it's not the same. I guess PE couldn't get a patent on BK's approach. Does BK have a patent on the mojo? Even if they do, if it's *that* good, EPA could mandate that all new stoves(Phase III?) use the mojo. . .

 

[North of 60]

Den
1) PE does not have a catalyst, so EPA is unachievable to really turn the stove down and get the long low heat clean burn durring the begining of its cycle. Lots of fuel, non adjustable minimum air = alot of heat at one time.
2) The BK Princess non cat probably does not have an EPA approval due to it being a smoke dragon. They are not allowed within
city limits around here anyway. Only the catalytic model.
My thoughts anyhow. No mojo there.
Cheers!
N of 60

 

[ddddddden]

No cat, no mojo?

 

[North of 60]

No cat, no mojo?

For long low heat clean burns for the MAJORITY of the heating cycle, and running a stove below 400F and a stack below 250F. How is that done without a catalyst?
If it is done then that is known as MOJO or against the characteristics of burning wood as the fuel with all related sciences that we know of. ;-P Me thinx or my 2 cents.

 

[ddddddden]

Any thoughts on how much the autodraft leverages the catasticity of the burn? 10%? 30%?