Eastern White Pine as firewood

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ABMax24

Minister of Fire
Sep 18, 2019
1,091
Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
So for you guys that burn a lot of EWP...about 5 years ago they took down a bunch of EWP at work...I grabbed a few loads and am almost out of it now, but even though its been CSS and top covered in a sunny/windy spot the whole time, the stuff still doesn't burn down to nothing...always leaves a black chunk of "styrofoam"...and the wood is dry dry dry...light as can be. What gives?
I only load a split or two at a time mixed with other better woods due to its penchant for "going out" after the initial flame show is over...it burns well at first, even though the sap is long "dried up".

I find the same. Granted I burn lodgepole pine and jack pine but same idea. I believe it's due to the higher pitch and volatiles content. To me it seems like because there is so much of these compounds consumed during the pyrolysis stage there isn't much material left after to create charcoal. And the charcoal that is left really isn't dense enough to sustain combustion.

The one trick I've found to get rid of it is open the damper up as the flames die down, this seems to keep the coals hot enough to mostly burn down to completion.
 

Sawset

Minister of Fire
Feb 14, 2015
1,203
Palmyra, WI
Pine sap? I've had the privledge of cutting a couple wayward pines here. What sappy things. Cut it and let it dry up a little before handling it again. 6 months and it had coagulated enough to handle
 

SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
6,146
Downeast Maine
I find the same. Granted I burn lodgepole pine and jack pine but same idea. I believe it's due to the higher pitch and volatiles content. To me it seems like because there is so much of these compounds consumed during the pyrolysis stage there isn't much material left after to create charcoal. And the charcoal that is left really isn't dense enough to sustain combustion.

The one trick I've found to get rid of it is open the damper up as the flames die down, this seems to keep the coals hot enough to mostly burn down to completion.

I find a few small chunks, maybe 2" or so average dimension left in my fireboxes after fires go out. Usually I just put these over the grate or wherever I'll light the fire and use them to get quick hot coals.
 

Simonkenton

Minister of Fire
Feb 27, 2014
1,974
Marshall NC
Let's see, from here to Cleveland, maybe 500 miles, at travel cost of 50 cents per mile, plus cost of trailer rental...
Probably not worth it to me. That is a good looking tree though.
Maybe you better cut it up for firewood.
 

Simonkenton

Minister of Fire
Feb 27, 2014
1,974
Marshall NC
Space Bus, if you think that firewood pile is bad, take a look at this.
My buddy, or, ex-buddy, down in central Georgia makes tables. He is really good at it. You can't get black walnut down there, but I have lots of it. I own probably 300 big black walnut trees, on my 49 acres.
So Gary asked me to cut down a tree for him. So I did, cut it last winter.
I got him 3 logs, each ten feet long and 17 inch diameter. My brother set it up on blocks with the tractor. This was in late March.
We had it just laying on the forest floor all winter, because Gary was supposed to come up right away and get it.

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And it still sets there on these blocks today. Gary's wife got mad at me and she won't let him come up here to pick up the wood, so, these 3 logs will get "Stihl Therapy" in February, and go in to the wood shed.
 

SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
6,146
Downeast Maine
Space Bus, if you think that firewood pile is bad, take a look at this.
My buddy, or, ex-buddy, down in central Georgia makes tables. He is really good at it. You can't get black walnut down there, but I have lots of it. I own probably 300 big black walnut trees, on my 49 acres.
So Gary asked me to cut down a tree for him. So I did, cut it last winter.
I got him 3 logs, each ten feet long and 17 inch diameter. My brother set it up on blocks with the tractor. This was in late March.
We had it just laying on the forest floor all winter, because Gary was supposed to come up right away and get it.

GYuO7JTl.jpg


And it still sets there on these blocks today. Gary's wife got mad at me and she won't let him come up here to pick up the wood, so, these 3 logs will get "Stihl Therapy" in February, and go in to the wood shed.
I can't blame him for not wanting to drive up there now.
 

Simonkenton

Minister of Fire
Feb 27, 2014
1,974
Marshall NC
My rural county has 56 cases of Corona virus and one death. Gary's county has 640 cases, and 61 deaths.
For any given two day period, it would be much safer for him to be at my place, than in his home county in Georgia.
 

SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
6,146
Downeast Maine
My rural county has 56 cases of Corona virus and one death. Gary's county has 640 cases, and 61 deaths.
For any given two day period, it would be much safer for him to be at my place, than in his home county in Georgia.
Yeah, but not safe for you. There will probably be at least one fuel stop, probably two or more. There's a lot of risk involved with traveling.
 

Simonkenton

Minister of Fire
Feb 27, 2014
1,974
Marshall NC
How about the fact that he had 3 weeks of December, and the entire month of January, when corona was not even a blip on the radar, to come up here, and yet, he did not.