EV vs ICE

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Your numbers aren't making sense the difference between hybrid and regular price is not 10k if you are comparing comparable equipt vehicles

RAV4 is plugin hybrid is like 45k. You won’t make that up with gas prices this low. Unless you have solar.

 

[bholler]

Plug ins make zero sense for long highway trips. Which will be 90% of this vehicles usage.
Spent all day yesterday at a local auto show. Didn’t see a decent hybrid suv for under $36k, thats before tax and tags. We’re quoted $30k otd for a well equipped ice.
Even at $5k difference, which you’re not going to see otd, you’re not saving much if any money .
Same as in 2006 when I bought a 36mpg Focus for $14k new otd. Friend bought a Prius, $24k. Math didn’t work. Focus still running original clutch and rear brakes, 170k miles. Her Prius is long gone.
Not even factoring in the human costs of battery production.

And this is ice vs ev debate, please show me a ev that can do 900 miles in 14 hours. Didn’t even bring up towing, what can tow a 2200lb teardrop as far, and fast as my Frontier. We came back from Yellowstone in 4 days, boondocking several times. Solar works on my camper and off grid house. Electric sure can’t do the job towing or traveling.

One of my good friends tows his Airstream all over the country with his ford lightning and loves it. A rav4 hybrid starts around 33k. We get it for you an ev doesn't make sense. If you are regularly driving that far I would agree. But that doesn't mean they dont make sense for anyone. Your comparison between the focus and prius is silly. Priuses regularly go well over 200k miles with no issues. I know one person with over 300k on theirs.

 

[bholler]

RAV4 is plugin hybrid is like 45k. You won’t make that up with gas prices this low. Unless you have solar.

The base price for a rav4 hybrid is a little under 33k non hybrid is a little under 31

 

[EbS-P]

In the Friday afternoon gas line at Costco. Storm in bound so it may be a bit longer than normal but not much. I can’t recall the last time i had wait to fuel up. Stop watch is running! 8.5 minute.
The line is at least 50% full sore trucks and suvs. No wonder EV adoption isn’t great with the size of vehicles we drive.

 

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In the Friday afternoon gas line at Costco. Storm in bound so it may be a bit longer than normal but not much. I can’t recall the last time i had wait to fuel up. Stop watch is running! 8.5 minute.
The line is at least 50% full sore trucks and suvs. No wonder EV adoption isn’t great with the size of vehicles we drive.

I just spoke with my sister. She fueled and stocked up yesterday and topped off the propane tank. Unfortunately, her hw heater is outside, which I am told is common down there. I warned not to do this, but her plumber insisted it's how they do it. Now she regrets it.

We have to be prepared for the unexpected weather and earthquakes at any time of the year so lots of redundant systems. Now, with the EV6 and judicious power management, we can power the basics in the house for weeks if required. If we have to drive we can use the van.

 

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Our family has never had a Toyota towed. That said my cousin I guess had the block crack on his. I imagine something (and full out guessing here) that 70% of the population lives within 45 minutes of a Toyota dealership.

Yes, I have never had to have a car towed and we have bought lots of new and used vehicles for many decades.

 

[EbS-P]

I warned not to do this, but her plumber insisted it's how they do it. Now she regrets it.

I’m going to get the furthest faucet trickling warm water. More for my supply line that runs in insulated in the vented crawl space. I have a heat strip somewhere.

 

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RAV4 is plugin hybrid is like 45k. You won’t make that up with gas prices this low. Unless you have solar.

Local low pricing is not nationwide. The cheapest I have seen in western WA is $3.25 and the same in parts of Calif. It's still close to $5 locally in some rural towns.

 

[EbS-P]

Local low pricing is not nationwide. The cheapest I have seen in western WA is $3.25 and the same in parts of Calif. It's still close to $5 locally in some rural towns.

Yes. CA gas prices have driven more EV adoption. Here is the average US gas price adjusted for inflation.and the same graph for electricity prices. Gas has been quite steady. Electricity has dropped more than I would have guessed. I paid 2.65 today.