EV vs ICE

[EbS-P]

The Lucid CEO is selling to highly affluent customers who often have different agendas. He does not speak for the general public IMO. People have all sorts of reasons for determining car purchases.

In general cost is the biggest factor for mass production. If you could get a 300 mile range 5 seater with 250kw charging for less than 28k that it would be competitive, if gas goes up even more so.

 

[begreen]

Given inflation and tarrifs, that may not happen here. We'll see. However, we may see something like this play out soon in Canada, where their market has just opened up to Chinese cars.

 

[DBoon]

If you could get a 300 mile range 5 seater with 250kw charging for less than 28k that it would be competitive, if gas goes up even more so.

That's almost what the Chevy Bolt is (260 mile range, 150 kW charging, seats 5 passengers comfortably (though you wouldn't think that from the outside) for $30k or so. It won't hold luggage for 5 passengers, and if the passengers are over 250 lbs. each, then it is probably realistically seats 4 (there is a LARGE amount of legroom in the backseat of the bolt).

 

[woodgeek]

That's almost what the Chevy Bolt is (260 mile range, 150 kW charging, seats 5 passengers comfortably (though you wouldn't think that from the outside) for $30k or so. It won't hold luggage for 5 passengers, and if the passengers are over 250 lbs. each, then it is probably realistically seats 4 (there is a LARGE amount of legroom in the backseat of the bolt).

Except that the Bolt's max charging speeed was 55 kW on a good day. The one I leased in 2022 was also over $35k MSRP.

 

[begreen]

That's almost what the Chevy Bolt is (260 mile range, 150 kW charging, seats 5 passengers comfortably (though you wouldn't think that from the outside) for $30k or so.

Except that the Bolt's max charging speeed was 55 kW on a good day. The one I leased in 2022 was also over $35k MSRP.

This is the range and charging rate for the new Bolt with the Ultium battery pack. Price starts at $29k for the LT, $33k for the RS. It has better specs and it's a good urban/suburban commute vehicle. At heart though, it's an EV econobox with a choppy ride due to the short wheelbase.

 

[Wood1Dennis]

Hydrogen ICE - That will be the answer, at least for big rigs.

https://www.cummins.com/engines/hydrogen