Fire Chief or Shelter EPA stoves feedback

Mrpelletburner Posted By Mrpelletburner, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM

  1. Mrpelletburner

    Mrpelletburner
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 20, 2011
    211
    27
    Loc:
    Mass
    Still thinking on how to proceed forward.

    In the mean time... more videos ;)

    So I connected up another stove pipe setup (Olympia stove pipe without the long seams and (2) 45 degree elbows. Operated the stove for 24 hours with the thermostat set to 80 degrees and flue temps above 300F. The goal was to see what the inside of the new stove pipe would look like after 24 hours. I expected the look to be the same as the clean burn of my pellet stove, however still black gloss looking.



     
  2. Medic21

    Medic21
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Feb 26, 2017
    126
    36
    Loc:
    Northern Indiana
    Holy chit!!!! Only 24 hours?

    With your inducer on and flap opened all the way. Do you feel any air up top along the secondary?
     
  3. Mrpelletburner

    Mrpelletburner
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 20, 2011
    211
    27
    Loc:
    Mass
    Inducer on the whole time (yup it was hot in this house) and opened 1/2". I am assuming the secondary burn kicked in b/c the stove would reach 800F top left of the load door (I have a thermocouple attached with JB Weld ;P ).
     
  4. JRHAWK9

    JRHAWK9
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 8, 2014
    748
    336
    Loc:
    Wisconsin Dells, WI
    I'm assuming you cleaned it before this 24 hour test? Or are you expecting the old creosote to just magically disappear when it gets hotter, which it won't unless you induce a chimney fire.

    EDIT. I'm the dumba$$ who didn't read the whole thing. Totally missed the whole part about using another stove pipe. ;lol ;em
     
  5. Medic21

    Medic21
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Feb 26, 2017
    126
    36
    Loc:
    Northern Indiana
    That is where the primary air is directed. I'm wondering if you open it up and turn it on if you even feel a small flow out of it. I guess what I'm getting at is I'm wondering if it's blocked
     
  6. Medic21

    Medic21
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Feb 26, 2017
    126
    36
    Loc:
    Northern Indiana
    I have zero smoke when it's burning. And a small secondary flame when the blower shuts off. No smoke then either. With the smoke going pat your baro and how dirty it's burning I'm thinking you have a secondary problem.
     
  7. bholler

    bholler
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 14, 2014
    12,276
    2,396
    Loc:
    central pa
    That is absolutley a possibility. Have you tried some of the compressed wood brick yet to eliminate wood as being the issue?
     
    brenndatomu likes this.
  8. Medic21

    Medic21
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Feb 26, 2017
    126
    36
    Loc:
    Northern Indiana
    that's exactly how I clean the shop stack that's heavy steel pipe... time to do that tonight.
     
  9. Mrpelletburner

    Mrpelletburner
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 20, 2011
    211
    27
    Loc:
    Mass
    I haven't... not sure who around here would sell compressed wood. Good suggestion.
     
  10. JRHAWK9

    JRHAWK9
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 8, 2014
    748
    336
    Loc:
    Wisconsin Dells, WI
    go buy a couple 2x4's from your local Home Depot, cut them up and burn a firebox full of them.
     
  11. bholler

    bholler
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 14, 2014
    12,276
    2,396
    Loc:
    central pa
    I dont think i would burn a firebox full of 2x4s. That is just begging for an overfire.
     
  12. JRHAWK9

    JRHAWK9
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 8, 2014
    748
    336
    Loc:
    Wisconsin Dells, WI
    I guess I didn't literally mean a full firebox of them......although it may help clean things up and get it to burn clean! ;lol
     
  13. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Aug 21, 2013
    3,085
    903
    Loc:
    NE Ohio
    Tractor Supply Co, Farm stores, Lowes, Home Despot, Menards, etc
    Don't burn a whole load of bricks by themselves...I'd likely do 50/50...and you start them burning them same way as firewood, they are hard to light without hot coals or other established fire going already.
     
  14. maple1

    maple1
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Sep 15, 2011
    8,282
    1,527
    Loc:
    Nova Scotia
    I've been saying design defect all along. But I could also see it being a manufacturing defect. Like, say, hole(s) not drilled or passages misaligned? Or something else just as dumb. Hard to check those things out thru a computer though.
     
    brenndatomu likes this.
  15. bholler

    bholler
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 14, 2014
    12,276
    2,396
    Loc:
    central pa
    Like i said before that may be true but tgere are some basic things to try before making that determination. Like making sure the wood is not wet because the all symptoms being experinced are commonly experinced with wet wood
     
    brenndatomu likes this.
  16. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Aug 21, 2013
    3,085
    903
    Loc:
    NE Ohio
    Booo!
     
  17. Mrpelletburner

    Mrpelletburner
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 20, 2011
    211
    27
    Loc:
    Mass
    Just double checked the secondary air holes and they are clear.

    Something that I noticed...

    Opening the draft blower slider all the way open. The secondary air flow did not increase as much as the primary air. The primary holes felt like a fan on high and the secondary air holes felt like a fan on a low (very little air flow).

    It appears that the draft blower air is directed to the primary air hole openings, where the secondary air holes has the same air flow whether the draft blower is wide opened or closed.

    Going to ask this to HY-C
     
  18. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Aug 21, 2013
    3,085
    903
    Loc:
    NE Ohio
    Path of least resistance...like I said about 10 pages back. Too much primary air, not enough secondary...and both from the same source...bad idea.
    Do this test again, only put some tape or something over some (most) of the primary holes...now I bet you will see more of a change in the secondary air flow when you open that blower flap up...
     
  19. Medic21

    Medic21
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Feb 26, 2017
    126
    36
    Loc:
    Northern Indiana
    Identical to mine. I have thought about fabricating a slide of some sorts to be able to redirect the air after it is burning. Maybe weldnon a couple studs and make it so I can close off or partially block the large holes
     
  20. Medic21

    Medic21
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Feb 26, 2017
    126
    36
    Loc:
    Northern Indiana
    Ok, I experienced what @Mrpelletburner has experienced tonight so I thought I would share what I did wrong:

    Wood is wetter than what I have been burning. Ash that was cut down dead in November not covered. It does still burn pretty good.

    Loaded too much too fast colder than normal. A lot of smokdering and smoke. Opened the bottom door to feed air to get it going and had a nice little smoke explosion that shot flame almost three feet out of the bottom door.

    Closed up too soon with the draft Motor door open.

    I sat there and watched multiple puffs in rapid succession.

    I opened the bottom door and ran the stack up to 800 and shut it up. Played that game for 35 min until I could get it to burn clean.

    After that it still burned slow for an hour. Once it got going and the temps started climbing I was able to adjust everything for the night.
     
  21. Mrpelletburner

    Mrpelletburner
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 20, 2011
    211
    27
    Loc:
    Mass
    Besides the slow start, I have been able to avoid the mini explosions, just small puffs from the stack.

    Today I started working on getting the stove going at 7:50am, by 8:20 the stove was burning nice. Started with a torch to get the air warm and a draft to pull, very small fire and kept the ash door just barely open and the load door opened ¼”.

    As the fire started to burn, I added 1 split at a time until the fire looked right. I then shut the ash door and leave the load door opened ¼” until the fire looks a certain way (photo attached).

    How I know it is the right time to shut the door? After shutting the load door, the fire box temp should continue to rise at a steady rate. If after shutting the load door, the box temp doesn’t rise, then the fire is not ready and I keep the load door opened ¼” until the stove temp can rise with the load door shut.

    Small fire to start
    IMG_0592.JPG

    Ready to close
    IMG_0594.JPG
     
  22. JRHAWK9

    JRHAWK9
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 8, 2014
    748
    336
    Loc:
    Wisconsin Dells, WI

    Just because you didn't happen to jump through hoop A on the way to hoop B while crossing road C before meeting road D doesn't mean you did anything wrong. Any wood furnace which makes it to market should not have a very specific set of prerequisites one must meet in order for it not to become a health/safety hazard. Quit putting the blame on yourself and direct it where it should be going........to the manufacturer.
     
    brenndatomu and woodey like this.
  23. maple1

    maple1
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Sep 15, 2011
    8,282
    1,527
    Loc:
    Nova Scotia
    That's a lot of babysitting. Which should not be required.
     
    brenndatomu and woodey like this.
  24. Medic21

    Medic21
    Member 2.
    NULL
    

    Feb 26, 2017
    126
    36
    Loc:
    Northern Indiana
    I have not had a puff out of this stove for well over a month. Personally I'm at the point I think @Mrpelletburner has a defective unit.
     
    brenndatomu likes this.
  25. JRHAWK9

    JRHAWK9
    Minister of Fire 2.
    NULL
    

    Jan 8, 2014
    748
    336
    Loc:
    Wisconsin Dells, WI
    This is because you are "dancing it's dance". One step out of place and look what happens. Wood burning should not be as difficult as you guys are making it out to be with these things. Like maple said above, most everything you guys are doing to make sure it doesn't fill the house with smoke should not be required.
     
    woodey and brenndatomu like this.

Share This Page