Has Anyone Bought A Liner from Fireside Chimney Supply?

[69_Eliminator]

Hello All! I am considering getting a chimney liner and installing it myself. I found this liner on ebay and called and talked to a sales representative that was very helpful.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-x-15-316T...611?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cceebe033

I don't have any experience with liners so I'm hoping you guys can provide some insight on this product. Also if anyone has bought from Fireside Chimney Supply what is your opinion of their products.

I did find out from the representative that they have a lifetime warranty and will honor it if it's a do-it-yourself install.

I am on a tight budget and this liner fits my budget. I will also need to get a boot to adapt my old stove to the liner so that is an added cost and I'm debating on getting insulation that is approximately another $200. I was told by a local chimney cleaning company that I don't need insulation since my chimney is in the middle of my house and not on an outside wall.

Another question I have is I currently have non-epa stove and I might upgrade to an EPA stove next season so I want to get a liner that will work with my current setup and an EPA stove next season. The rep I talked to about this said I would probably want to go with a 7" liner to work with this stove and an EPA stove. What are you thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[bholler]

well first off I would have to disagree with your chimney sweep. in my opinion all liners should be insulated. they work better and are safer that way. and actually if you read the ul listings on them they are only listed if they are insulated. that being said an uninsulated stainless liner is better than a faulty clay liner. as far as this product it sounds very cheap to me it is probably very thin metal and if this is going to be your main heating appliance i would recommend going with a heavier liner. i don't know what stove you have now but 7" is small for many old stoves cant say without seeing your stove. but almost all new stoves use 6" but a 7" liner should work ok.

 

[69_Eliminator]

well first off I would have to disagree with your chimney sweep. in my opinion all liners should be insulated. they work better and are safer that way..

I agree and I like to be on the safe side of things and probably will pony up the extra $ for an insulation kit.

that being said an uninsulated stainless liner is better than a faulty clay liner. as far as this product it sounds very cheap to me it is probably very thin metal and if this is going to be your main heating appliance i would recommend going with a heavier liner.

I don't mind spending another $100 or so to get a better quality liner, but I can't afford much more than that and will have to go without a liner. The stove will be my main heating appliance this season.

i don't know what stove you have now but 7" is small for many old stoves cant say without seeing your stove. but almost all new stoves use 6" but a 7" liner should work ok.

It's an older stove. I have scoured the internet trying to find information and didn't find much. I posted a pic of it here: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/aurora-stove-model-identification.120599/#post-1616317

 

[bholler]

what size outlet does you current stove have? and if that liner is all you can afford it will work the life span of it will just be shorter than a heavier one

 

[BrotherBart]

what size outlet does you current stove have? and if that liner is all you can afford it will work the life span of it will just be shorter than a heavier one

It is .006" 316ti just like most of them out there. It is cheap because it is only 15'.

 

[bholler]

well there are many out there that are .heavier than .oo6 for wood stoves install heavywall pipe that has a continuous crimp not the thinner corrugated type. we usually use olimpia armor flex which is .018" and there are many other brands out there with similar thickness and construction. but like i said it will work if that is all the budget allows for

 

[BrotherBart]

Sure it will work. The majority of liners in use are single wall .005. Including my two. In fact I pulled out my double wall liner after one season and tossed it.

For the OP. That liner will be fine. Those folks have been selling liners since 1992.

 

[bholler]

i agree about double wall liners most of them are junk. and yes the light wall liner will be ok but we have pulled quite a few out that were burnt through near the base. now those were destroyed because of chimney fires but the fact is that we also inspect many heavy wall liners after chimney fires and they are usually fine. and most light wall liners will burn through pretty quickly.

 

[Eaglecraft]

Hello All! I am considering getting a chimney liner and installing it myself. I found this liner on ebay and called and talked to a sales representative that was very helpful.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-x-15-316T...611?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cceebe033

I don't have any experience with liners so I'm hoping you guys can provide some insight on this product. Also if anyone has bought from Fireside Chimney Supply what is your opinion of their products.

I did find out from the representative that they have a lifetime warranty and will honor it if it's a do-it-yourself install.

I am on a tight budget and this liner fits my budget. I will also need to get a boot to adapt my old stove to the liner so that is an added cost and I'm debating on getting insulation that is approximately another $200. I was told by a local chimney cleaning company that I don't need insulation since my chimney is in the middle of my house and not on an outside wall.

Another question I have is I currently have non-epa stove and I might upgrade to an EPA stove next season so I want to get a liner that will work with my current setup and an EPA stove next season. The rep I talked to about this said I would probably want to go with a 7" liner to work with this stove and an EPA stove. What are you thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance for any help.

69 Eliminator:

Regarding the liner, I suggest that you contact Fireside Chimney Supply and ask to see/review the UL listing for their liner. They should have the UL listing document readily available for your use. A copy of the document may be posted on the internet.

I suggest that you read the UL documentation to give you confidence in the product that you are buying. I purchased my UL listed SS liner - a Flex King Pro - from ChimnyLinerDepot.com http://www.chimneylinerdepot.com/ This is a flexible SS liner that I insulated prior to placing it down our terra-cotta flue. Flex King Pro is a two-ply (double wall) liner. This liner has been is service now for almost four years with no issues. Whatever liner that you purchase, select the best liner available. Remember that when operating your woodstove, you will have a raging fire contained in a steel box in the middle of your house. Woodstoves can be dangerous if installed or used improperly. Improperly installed chimneys, improperly cleaned cleaned chimneys cause many house fires. However, woodstoves can be safe when installed and used properly. Woodstoves are what we called a "Safety Critical Item". You can't take shortcuts or reduce quality on these items. You will want peace of mind when you leave your home, or go to bed for the night and your woodstove is operating. This way of thinking is for you and your family. So do it right the first time - whatever it takes.

Regarding insulating the liner, I recommend that you do insulate the liner. Others posting on this site may recommend that you don't insulate. But considering the total costs of a new stove, the installation costs (it's not free even if you do it yourself), the cost of the SS liner, the cost of an insulation kit (there are several on-line suppliers) is small (10-15 percent) relative to the overall project costs. The thing of it is, liner insulation reduces creosote build-up, keeps that liner warmer, and improves draft - the engine for your woodstove. And it is a pain in the kister if you decide later on to insulate the liner - when you could have done it from the get-go.

Most woodstoves and wood burning inserts that I am familiar have a 6 inch or 8 inch exhaust flue. So the SS liner should be 6 or 8 inches - according to most installation instructions - if that's what the stove calls for, which by the way, must be followed if you are to have a building code compliant install. Under some conditions the liner sizes can be modified if the manufacturer provides for such modifications. Of course, ultimately you can do whatever you want, but the building inspector (if an inspection is required), or your home insurer may not agree with what you've done.

Good luck to you with your stove install.

Cincinnati Anderson High graduate - many years ago.

 

[bholler]

very well said eaglecraft I agree with everything you said. I still don't like double wall lines but if it works for you good I know allot are sold and installed and the work well for lots of people. but I absolulty agree choose the best liner that you can afford. as far as sizing goes the stove you have now should probably have an 8" vent on it but to know for sure we would need to know the height of the chimney and the size of the outlet on the stove but 8" would almost definatly be to big for a new stove most of them call for 6" but they can be upsized to 7" usually.

 

[69_Eliminator]

For those of you that asked about the outlet size of my stove I have attached a picture.

I know I will need an adapter boot. How would that work with the outlet configuration? Would I just remove the damper?

 

[69_Eliminator]

what size outlet does you current stove have? and if that liner is all you can afford it will work the life span of it will just be shorter than a heavier one

What is an estimated life span on that liner?

 

[BrotherBart]

They have their UL listing right on their website.

(broken link removed to http://firesidechimneysupply.com/skin/frontend/default/f002/images/fireside-ul-label.jpg)

 

[69_Eliminator]

to know for sure we would need to know the height of the chimney and the size of the outlet on the stove but 8" would almost definatly be to big for a new stove most of them call for 6" but they can be upsized to 7" usually.

The chimney is 13' from the damper to the top of the last flue tile

 

[bholler]

well by the lookof that outlet and the relatively short stack I think you need 8". and as far as the life span it is hard to say it depends on so many variables like how hard you burn how often and how you clean it and many others. but that liner with that stove I would think you could get 10 years out of it if you burn correctly and dont over fire much and clean it properly. which for that price isn't really bad at all

 

[rwhite]

I purchased my liner from Fireside. Their site was the same price as their e-bay store so I went directly to the site. Probably no difference but I felt like I was cutting out a middle man anyway. BUt e-bay may have the atvantage of bill later so it may be a toss up. I thought they had great customer service and sell a good product and would do business again if needed. I can tell you that the liner is pretty durable and I would think it will last a long time if you burn correctly. I made a charcoal chimney for my grill out of a part of my left over liner. Although not a chimney fire it does replicate it rather well when you stuff newpaper in the bottom and light it off (looks like a rocket stove). 3 years of using it and it shows no signs of deterioration. Insulate it for sure. That extra few hundred dollars will let you sleep well at night.

 

[mellow]

Good luck fabbing a boot to fit that mess. I know budget is tight and all but those kinds of rear vent inserts were not ment to have liners connected to them, just like the Cemi's out there, impossible to do a boot to fit with the damper linkage.

Those things were designed for a slammer install only, get your boot figured out before asking about a liner, I am interested to see what kind of back woods contraption you come up with to fit that.

Not trying to rain on your parade but you need to use a newer stove with a proper 6" or 8" exhaust.

 

[Wormyone]

I actually bought the entire liner kit from them that included the insulating wrap for the flue. I could not have been happier with their product and support

 

[69_Eliminator]

Good luck fabbing a boot to fit that mess. I know budget is tight and all but those kinds of rear vent inserts were not ment to have liners connected to them, just like the Cemi's out there, impossible to do a boot to fit with the damper linkage.

Those things were designed for a slammer install only, get your boot figured out before asking about a liner, I am interested to see what kind of back woods contraption you come up with to fit that.

Not trying to rain on your parade but you need to use a newer stove with a proper 6" or 8" exhaust.

That's what I was afraid of on the boot fitment with the linkage system. I guess I will just have to run it as a slammer install the rest of the year and hope for the best on not having a chimney fire and upgrade the stove next year.

 

[69_Eliminator]

Sounds like Fireside is a good place to get a liner kit from. Thank you to all that provided feedback on Fireside and their product. Unfortunately it sounds like I won't be able to run a liner this year and will have to stick with the "slammer" setup on this stove.

 

[mellow]

You gotta do what you gotta do to stay warm,make sure to have working CO detector near by and burn dry wood to help reduce the creosote buildup. Also make sure and seal your surround to the fireplace.