Hearthstone heritage baffle cemented in

[Newburnerwisconsin]

I am a new wood burner. Please excuse me if this has been discussed before. I have the new Hearthstone Heritage 8022 wood stove. The stove is not completely installed yet. I have noticed that the baffle has been cemented in by the company. My question is....does the cement disolve after a year if burning or how do I get the baffle out with it being cemented in the stove with the flue pipe going to the chimney? Thanks for your time everyone.

 

[BrotherBart]

Some manufactures use silicone caulk to hold the baffle in place in shipping to prevent damage. The first time that firebox gets over 800 degrees that stuff goes up the chimney as a vapor. If it is soft feeling, it is silicone caulk. It will be long gone by chimney cleaning time. In fact it will be mostly gone after the first few fires.

 

[webby3650]

Your baffle is cemented in. You will not be able to move the baffle for cleaning, rather you will need to remove the stove pipe and access the baffle from the flue collar.
If the baffle ever needs replaced, the old one is literally chiseled out(which isn't hard)and the new one goes in 2 pieces.

 

[BrotherBart]

Your baffle is cemented in. You will not be able to move the baffle for cleaning, rather you will need to remove the stove pipe and access the baffle from the flue collar.
If the baffle ever needs replaced, the old one is literally chiseled out(which isn't hard)and the new one goes in 2 pieces.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. Hearthstone needs a smack up side the head.

 

[webby3650]

Interesting. Thanks for the info. Hearthstone needs a smack up side the head.

I agree. It's all too common to have baffles that don't allow access...

 

[BrotherBart]

I really don't understand how they would permanently cement in a fiberboard baffle. The stuff would have to let go when it gets hot no matter what they use.

 

[webby3650]

I really don't understand how they would permanently cement in a fiberboard baffle. The stuff would have to let go when it gets hot no matter what they use.

The cement doesn't necessarily hold the baffle down. In most places it does dry up and fall out. In the very back there is not much room, so the cement has a good hold on the baffle even after a few years of firing.
Even if all the cement falls out, the baffle still will not move out of the way for cleaning.

 

[ridemgis]

Your baffle is cemented in. You will not be able to move the baffle for cleaning, rather you will need to remove the stove pipe and access the baffle from the flue collar.
If the baffle ever needs replaced, the old one is literally chiseled out(which isn't hard)and the new one goes in 2 pieces.

Is this something new with the Heritage? The baffle on my three year old stove is easily removed for cleaning.

 

[webby3650]

Is this something new with the Heritage? The baffle on my three year old stove is easily removed for cleaning.

Removed? Or slid around a bit? Hearthstone baffles are not removable. If yours comes out, either the baffle is broken, or your secondary burn tubes are out of place. At least none that I have worked on.

 

[Highbeam]

Is this something new with the Heritage? The baffle on my three year old stove is easily removed for cleaning.

YOU are correct. The hearthstone heritage baffle is easily removed and replaced out the front door of the stove. You just pop out the one cotter pin right in front. I pulled mine out every year. It is designed this way so that you should never have to remove the flue for sweeping. You sweep right into the stove from above.

Mine was cemented in from the factory. Really, the cement was just spooged out during assembly and fell onto the baffle. With heat this spooge shrank and was easily popped off or picked off with my fingers which allowed the baffle to come free. So run it all year and then work out the baffle, every year after will be easier.

Worst case, if you feel you would break the baffle otherwise (replacement for me 3 years ago was 60$) then you can pop off the flue and do it the hard way. Don't sweep into the stove with the baffle in place since it will easily break if you poke it with the brush.

 

[Highbeam]

Even if all the cement falls out, the baffle still will not move out of the way for cleaning.

Not sure what stove you're talking about but it's not the Hearthstone heritage.

 

[webby3650]

Not sure what stove you're talking about but it's not the Hearthstone heritage.

Then maybe it's the only 1?The homestead has to be cut in two and then recemented after its in place. The tubes also have to come out. Guess I was confusing the 2?
Sometimes the pipe absolutely has to come off. Particularly if it has a 90.

 

[Highbeam]

The homestead has to be cut in two and then recemented after its in place.

I recall reading that about the homestead. I've had the whole dang secondary manifold system out of the heritage and it all comes out through the front door. With the manifold out you can really see how much extra cement spooges out of the top seams during assembly.

 

[Newburnerwisconsin]

Thanks very much everyone for the info. I called Hearthstone twice and they never returned my calls. I will just leave the cement alone and burn this year. I hope it comes out easily if I have to replace the baffle. I know that is a common item to be damaged on this stove. The company also added a stainless steel bracket in the flue to prevent a brush from hitting the baffle during cleaning. The 8021 does not have the bracket so that is really nice. I am learning so much.....thanks again to everyone for your help!!

newburnerwisconsin

 

[webby3650]

Thanks very much everyone for the info. I called Hearthstone twice and they never returned my calls. I will just leave the cement alone and burn this year. I hope it comes out easily if I have to replace the baffle. I know that is a common item to be damaged on this stove. The company also added a stainless steel bracket in the flue to prevent a brush from hitting the baffle during cleaning. The 8021 does not have the bracket so that is really nice. I am learning so much.....thanks again to everyone for your help!!

newburnerwisconsin

They have definitely made some improvements lately.
That SS bar in the flue collar helps prevent damage with a broom, it won't stop some of the soft brooms and poly rods though. It's not a problem anyway if you are careful and aware of what your doing. All too often, "professional" sweeps are not. They are the primary reason for service calls on a Hearthstone.

 

[Heatsource]

on the new heritage:
the only reason to remove the baffle during cleaning is if you are very rough with the rods (fragile)

just get a small vac hose and go up and over baffle after sweeping, plenty of room to get all the soot w/o removing baffle or the pipe

 

[webby3650]

Just to be clear, if the system has a 90 at the wall the pipe still needs to be taken down and swept.
This gets overlooked pretty often because people are scared to mess with the pipe.
Although Hearthstones typically have a very clean flue, partly because of efficiency but mostly because they dump tons of heat up the flue. It still needs checked periodically.

 

[Dakotas Dad]

Is this something new with the Heritage? The baffle on my three year old stove is easily removed for cleaning.

I know for SURE the baffle on the Mansfield comes out. takes 4-5 minutes. I have had mine out.

 

[Smoked]

The Heritage baffle can be removed easily by lifting the back and sliding the front down between the 1st and second tubes from the front. I have a new 8021 that I bought this spring (old inventory)and it looks like the baffle has some cement holding it in place as well. I rear vent mine so brushing is not an issue. My opinion, if the cement survives the first year, don't break it out. Remove the pipe before brushing or throw some sheet metal in on top of the baffle from the front of the stove to be safe. That good tight fit will help keep heat below the baffle where it needs to be. Enjoy the stove!

 

[Heatsource]

Just to be clear, if the system has a 90 at the wall the pipe still needs to be taken down and swept.
This gets overlooked pretty often because people are scared to mess with the pipe.
Although Hearthstones typically have a very clean flue, partly because of efficiency but mostly because they dump tons of heat up the flue. It still needs checked periodically.

i run my viper in from the clean out tee and down thru the 90* when taking the pipe apart scares me, haha

 

[bholler]

i run my viper in from the clean out tee and down thru the 90* when taking the pipe apart scares me, haha

what head are you using on a viper that will go through a 90 easily? I can get through 90s but it takes allot of force i would never try it on stove pipe personally. Besides the fact that you will not clean the inside edge of the pipe below the 90. Pipe with 90s in should be taken down every year for cleaning

 

[webby3650]

what head are you using on a viper that will go through a 90 easily? I can get through 90s but it takes allot of force i would never try it on stove pipe personally. Besides the fact that you will not clean the inside edge of the pipe below the 90. Pipe with 90s in should be taken down every year for cleaning

I usually take the whole pipe assembly outside in one piece and spin a broom through it from both ends with my drill. It gets it really clean, and there are very few screw holes to line up. If the pipe is dirty like most, that viper sure won't do much in this instance.

 

[Heatsource]

what head are you using on a viper that will go through a 90 easily? I can get through 90s but it takes allot of force i would never try it on stove pipe personally. Besides the fact that you will not clean the inside edge of the pipe below the 90. Pipe with 90s in should be taken down every year for cleaning

you need to reach in and help it around the corner a bit, its not easy

you could also run viper into top of 90, then up from inside of stove to get the other side
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cleaner job than taking pipe apart, never have to touch up pipe etc

 

[Heatsource]

I usually take the whole pipe assembly outside in one piece and spin a broom through it from both ends with my drill. It gets it really clean, and there are very few screw holes to line up. If the pipe is dirty like most, that viper sure won't do much in this instance.

interesting, most of the interior pipe i see is not very dirty....
the viper will clean over 90% of chimneys we see and almost all of the interior pipe would be cleaned just fine w/viper

 

[bholler]

you need to reach in and help it around the corner a bit, its not easy

Ok that is what i have experienced as well just wondered if you where using a different setup.

interesting, most of the interior pipe i see is not very dirty....
the viper will clean over 90% of chimneys we see

I would say that viper works on maybe 20% of the chimneys we work on. More than that are good enough conditions but they need cleaned from the top and i dont like using the viper on the roof there i prefer rods. But i have a feeling your customers don't burn as much as ours do due to the different climate. We also still have many old stoves we service.