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Nigel459

Feeling the Heat
Oct 24, 2017
342
Ontario, Canada
I'm not sure, but the LPAO appears to be a boost air port. Is it located at the bottom, front center edge of the firebox? If so, then the adapter appears to be a right-angle diverter to point the boost air at the base of the fire. If that is the case, it's hard for me to understand how this could be causing the hard start and unable to run without the door ajar issue that LakeCabin is seeing. His problem seems more weak draft-related.
Yes, the LPAO is in the bottom, front centre of the firebox. I agree his problems seem more weak-draft related... orrr the other glaring one which I don't think we have had confirmation: moisture content of fuel... unless I missed it (humble apologies if so)
 

LakeCabin

New Member
Mar 13, 2021
40
Maine
Update on this issue. The dealer talked to Hearthstone who gave them a list of things to do and check. They never got it to draft properly so the dealer removed the stove and i believe it's going back to Hearthstone. So we are now back to square one. The dealer stocks Vermont Castings and Regency as well as Hearthstone. We're heating a space of 1100 to 1200 sq feet. Begreen suggested looking at the Regency F2450 and F2500. Are there any Vermont Castings models we should look at and how do those compare to the two Regency models?
 
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begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
89,620
South Puget Sound, WA
Sorry to hear this. Vermont Castings stoves are pretty, but much more complex. They have improved the quality of their refractory assemblies since HHT took them over, but it is still their Achilles heel.
Maybe consider a mid-sized Hearthstone like the Heritage too?
 

LakeCabin

New Member
Mar 13, 2021
40
Maine
Thanks. I rather like the cleaner look and at this point want to keep it as simple as possible so may skip VC. I am a little nervous about trying another Hearthstone. I am not sure if we got a lemon--there were definitely some assembly issues--or we had chimney-related draft issues and that the Heritage would be similar enough to the GM60 that we'd just have a similar experience. I am inclined to go with the non-cat F2450 you suggested earlier although I see from posts here that they have not been without problems as well.
 
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begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
89,620
South Puget Sound, WA
90% of the posts here are from people trying to solve a problem. They are not representative of the market as a whole. There is no stove that has not had someone with an issue with. Sometimes it is the stove, but mostly it is an issue with the operation, the wood or draft. The delighted owners rarely go online for their stoves unless they have a question.
 
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LakeCabin

New Member
Mar 13, 2021
40
Maine
Point taken. It's not a representative sample of users.

I suspect we'll try either the F2450 or F2500. I will post about our experience once we have the new one installed. Hopefully we are more successful at the second attempt.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
89,620
South Puget Sound, WA
Hope it works out. The deflector in the Regency is removable if the draft is weak.
 

LakeCabin

New Member
Mar 13, 2021
40
Maine
Thanks. I noticed that was the case from the earlier thread. Looking at the manuals for the F2400, F2450, and F2500 it would appear that only the F2450 has the Vertical Stainless Deflector. I wonder if that the only difference with the earlier F2400 model.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
25,557
central pa
Thanks. I noticed that was the case from the earlier thread. Looking at the manuals for the F2400, F2450, and F2500 it would appear that only the F2450 has the Vertical Stainless Deflector. I wonder if that the only difference with the earlier F2400 model.
The 2400 is the cascade line. It has a cat but it is a new unproven design that I am not a big fan of. We have had a few customers burn a season with the new noncats and had no issues. Also have out some of the pro line and they work well
 

LakeCabin

New Member
Mar 13, 2021
40
Maine
Thanks, that's helpful. I tending towards non-cat F2450. Hadn't looked at the Pro line. The smallest seems to be the F3500 but I think that might be on the larger side for our space.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
25,557
central pa
Thanks, that's helpful. I tending towards non-cat F2450. Hadn't looked at the Pro line. The smallest seems to be the F3500 but I think that might be on the larger side for our space.
Yes the 3500 is the smallest
 

LakeCabin

New Member
Mar 13, 2021
40
Maine
A correction to the update I wrote above. I talked to the dealer on Friday. He said that before they took the GM60 out--I wasn't present when this happened-- they ran draft tests and their readings were in accordance with what the stove is supposed to require. And he said the chimney height made no difference. They removed two of the three sections they had added previously. He said they have no idea why the stove didn't work properly and they would like Hearthstone to test it. I'm not their only customer who has had GM60 issues.

I think I am likely to go with the Regency F2450 as the replacement but it turns out the dealer also stocks Quadra-Fire so that's another option to those mentioned previously.
 

Rickb

Minister of Fire
Oct 24, 2012
1,139
St.Louis
Good luck. I hope you post back that your new, new stove is working well and you finally have gotten something to work well for you! I sure it was very frustrating.
 

Wood Hunter

Member
Dec 29, 2014
8
F'dale, NY
The 2400 is the cascade line. It has a cat but it is a new unproven design that I am not a big fan of. We have had a few customers burn a season with the new noncats and had no issues. Also have out some of the pro line and they work well
Do you have customers having issues with the Cascade cat 1500 as well?
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
25,557
central pa
Do you have customers having issues with the Cascade cat 1500 as well?
I havnt sold any at this point because I won't recommend them to people untill they are proven. If someone specifically asked for one I would sell it to them but I am not going to push them. I just don't like the design
 
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LakeCabin

New Member
Mar 13, 2021
40
Maine
They installed a Regency F2450 this morning. I have the first test fire going. It's 70 here so I have all the windows and doors open!

So far so good. I had the door cracked for the first few minutes then locked it and fire is burning fine. I have now shut the air intake down some and it's still working fine. I can see the secondary burn at the air intakes at the top of the stove. When I open the door, as they instruct, to add wood there's no smoke coming back into the cabin. It appears to be drafting fine.

Much thanks to everyone for their advice and help and especially to begreen for the F2450 recommendation.
 

Ctwoodtick

Minister of Fire
Jun 5, 2015
1,563
Southeast CT
They installed a Regency F2450 this morning. I have the first test fire going. It's 70 here so I have all the windows and doors open!

So far so good. I had the door cracked for the first few minutes then locked it and fire is burning fine. I have now shut the air intake down some and it's still working fine. I can see the secondary burn at the air intakes at the top of the stove. When I open the door, as they instruct, to add wood there's no smoke coming back into the cabin. It appears to be drafting fine.

Much thanks to everyone for their advice and help and especially to begreen for the F2450 recommendation.
I just got the 2450 last season. I like it immensely. The couple of criticisms I have include what feels like a low firebox. Seems like it is tough to pile the wood in there to any degree. It also seems to run hot. I’d love for it to cruise in to 600’s. Instead it tends to cruise in the mid 700’s. This is with dry decent sized hardwood. I can’t imagine having a good load of softwood in there.