Although I have owned 5 different ice vehicles which were recalled because to many of them randomly caught fire while parked.
Norway on track to reach 100% EV sales in the next 2 years
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EbS-P
Minister of Fire
I if you look up the stats I think you will find many more fires (as a fraction of total vehicles) while parked for ICE. There were a few bolts right that caught fire charging. Many many many more Fords and Hyundais.
EbS-P
Minister of Fire
The lithium issue is and will be unique to the US as we don’t value mass transit, walking or biking and like our vehicles HUGE with lots of range. The 7500$ tax credit Will incentive smaller cheaper vehicles with less range I think. At the end of the day all of this is highly dependent on government policy. I don’t see the U.S. being a visionary leader in environmental policy any time soon.
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Ashful
Minister of Fire
Holy crap! What cars are you buying, bholler?!? Even the Pinto needed a nudge, before it would burst into flame.
I did a quick search on this, and couldn't turn up anything concrete, but didn't have a lot of time to devote to it. SpaceBus just posted some real good data, but he's still SWAG'ing the conclusion based on disconnected data sets. It would be great if someone could turn up something like probability of vehicle fire by type, or age- or mileage-corrected fires per capita for each vehicle type. It's a complex problem, as most ICE fires are probably due to incorrect maintenance on older vehicles, whereas I suspect more BEV fires are on newer vehicles and the result of construction issues rather than maintenance. But really, I'm only guessing.
2 fords a a Chevy a Mazda and a Hyundai. I believe dodge had a recall for it on some as well
Ashful
Minister of Fire
Wow. Had no idea. None of the vehicles I've ever owned has had a recall for parked fire issues.
In fact, nearly all that have come into my mailbox can be summed up as "preventing stupid people from hurting themselves". One was to make it "more obvious the car was in park", after a few vehicles rolled when people failed to put them properly into Park, and another had to do with people thinking their seatbelt is latched when it's not.
Fieros lol. Those were fun little cars to drive, and easy-ish to work on. Speakers in the headrest, how novel. Speed was not their strong suite though.
Put the 3.8 in them and they are pretty quick. And fast as hell with the supercharged one
'84 Iron Duke with a 5 speed. Rebuilt the transmission and motor when I got it. A complete dog but it was fairly fun.
Yeah not GM's best motor. They weren't bad with the 2.8 in the later gts
SpaceBus
Minister of Fire
With the number of BEVs on the road approaching two million, we will see more stories in the news, but those isolated events are statistically irrelevant and on the 99th percentile on the bell curve. These BEV fire events are absolutely real, but in reality basically round to zero events. In fact, they are only in the news because BEVs are generally so reliable. The tens of thousands of vehicle fires every year are not sensational because they are routine, despite causing over one billion dollars of damage every year. I agree that the data is from a lot of sources and there is no refinement. We don't know any statistical information about the vehicle fires, other than they are 99.9% ICE vehicles based on the numbers of BEV fires vs how many are on the road. Despite the vehicles being new, I suspect in very few cases the fires are caused by uncontrollable "rare events" (hurricanes, "acts of god", manufacturing defects, etc.). Instead I find it much more likely that human error is the primary cause. These vehicles are tested in all conditions that engineers can possibly consider, but none that they haven't. This is where the human error comes in.
I had an 87 gt with the 2.8. blew that motor and put in as na 3800. Drove it about a year and spun a bearing. Then went supercharged. Ended up in a ditch a few months later on wet roads
Mine eventually became a WS6 with T-Tops.... that is gone, have a 1976 project though.
I wouldn't mind having one with a 3800 or an LS (likely a 4.8 or 5.3).
Sorry to get the thread so off topic.
Wow. I have parked two Chevy Bolts in my attached tuck under garage. The 2017 with the 'bad' batteries for a year, and now the 2022 with the 'good' batteries.
I sleep like a baby.
Most of the 'bad' bolt Batteries were in the 2019 model year which forced action. The number outside of that range was quite small, but they recalled the rest anyways.
do you ever take a car to the track? There are some interesting builds out there, and they start with some interesting cars. MX-8's seem to attract their fair share of people that like to work on cars. As do Honda S3000s
Yeah I have tracked quite a few and helped friends prep theirs. Mx-5 (Miata) and s2000 i assume you mean. We have a Miata now. Absolutely the most fun you can have for the money
yep S2000 is what I meant.
I have an Alfa Giulia now with all the bells/whistles. I bought it when the dealers were begging people to take them off their hands. I wanted to track it but after a couple times out I realized that I would feel alot more comfortable with a car that I can tinker, fix, and not care if I flip it.
But I'm also considering a Tesla truck now or the F150 EV. Decisions decisions.
With the economy and lay offs, I might be holding off on a decision for much longer.
TWilk117
Feeling the Heat
Can you show us and data showing that fires in EVs are more common than fires in ice vehicles?
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