I have a Logosol F2+ (6 meters) and a Husky 395xp for a powerhead. Not as fast as a band mill, but faster than an alaskan. I could do a few hundred board feet per day with a helper if it's all softwood. The hardest wood I've milled so far is tamarack (Eastern Larch), but mostly spruce and fir. Sometimes I wish I had gotten a Chinese made bandsaw mill, but I wanted something with good QC but couldn't justify a US made band mill. I will say that saw chain is way easier to sharpen and I can make nearly finish quality lumber that is +/- 1/32" when everything is set up well. The Logosol already paid for itself and it's nice to be able to cut 18' long beams/boards. However, a 18+" diameter 18' log really taxes my tractor, so I don't usually cut anything that long.My dads been bugging me to cut some small larch to saw into 4x4’s for dock posts. He had the same idea, trees just big enough to get the post from.
I want a sawmill really bad. Just gotta talk the wife into it. I bought a new woodstove this year, so maybe next year. Right now I'm relying on the Amish and another guy I know with a portable mill to saw up my logs. Still much cheaper than store bought lumber, but not as convenient as having my own mill.
What kind of mill do you have? Something like a wood mizer?
Just went back and looked at the photos. I believe most were white oak, except the photo of several on the trailer, which were hickory. There's also a few ash scattered in the photo of the field, but most of these photos were taken before EAB really hit us hard.What kind of wood is that ashful?
I've been using most of my lumber for chicken housing, garden fences, a small wood shed, and raised garden beds. Even still it has already paid for itself. I've got a small pile of saw logs growing, but most of them are only 8-12" across. Eventually I'll have to buy some logs for specific projects, but still much cheaper than buying lumber.Wish I had white oak here. All I have is red oak. I’d really like to have both. I just need to find someone with a white oak so I can collect the acorns and plant them. I’ve already been playing Donny apple seed with black walnuts.
There are so many cheaper band mills available nowadays. My neighbor has one of the wood mizer copies. I really need to check it out closer and see if something like that is a good option for me. I don’t need anything too fancy. It doesn’t have to come with all the options. I would like a band mill though.
I think I’ll do like the Amish do, buy the mill and use it to cut the lumber for building that will cover it.
At least considering the varieties we have here, your effort won't bring you any good white oak in your lifetime, but perhaps your great-grandkids will thank you for it. One large white oak I cut in 2012 was clearly documented to have been an already-mature tree in the 1830's, and there's another slabbed in a local church with rings counted back to before the founding of the church in the 1720's.Wish I had white oak here. All I have is red oak. I’d really like to have both. I just need to find someone with a white oak so I can collect the acorns and plant them. I’ve already been playing Donny apple seed with black walnuts.
$0.65/bdft for rough cut used to be EXPENSIVE! Not that long ago you could pay a mobile sawyer to come out and pay $0.40/bdft, at least according to the sawyers I've spoken to. Today the current market price for lumber is right around $0.48/bdft, but that's of course wholesale and not retail pricing.The Amish most not pay very much for their logs here. They have huge piles they get trucked in. You figure if they’re selling for 65 cents they must be getting it for like half that.
At least considering the varieties we have here, your effort won't bring you any good white oak in your lifetime, but perhaps your great-grandkids will thank you for it. One large white oak I cut in 2012 was clearly documented to have been an already-mature tree in the 1830's, and there's another slabbed in a local church with rings counted back to before the founding of the church in the 1720's.
What's interesting to me is that I cut enough trees from just four properties in close proximity, that I've noticed how a single species can really stand out in one location, but be nearly absent in another just a few miles away. One lot where I cut is completely dominated by hickory. But I live just 2 miles away from that lot, and have no mature hickory at all, on my property. We get hickory saplings, but they always disappear (deer damage?) before reaching maturity. Conversely, my yard is almost entirely walnut, to the point where you'd almost think it's the only thing that will grow around here. But the property behind me is dominated by ash and cedar, with only a few walnut trees. The 32 acre lot where most of my wood was taken 2011 until 2019 had an unusually high fraction of white oak, but also had a noticeable amount of sassafras. These are all lots with what would outwardly appear to be similar conditions for light, drainage, soil, but there must be enough small differences for local factors to favor one species over another.
Yes, lots of grey squirrels. Lots of deer, too. It's a rare day that I don't see ten deer and four times as many grey squirrels in my yard.Do you have a lot of grey squirrels in your area? Deer will also control a tree species by foraging on the young shoots and leaves. Some birds can control tree species if they have small seeds or berries.
Greys are pretty territorial and will have favored trees. I'd guess between them and the deer they have made their own managed food forests. This is commonly observed behavior in both species. There's a logging trail in the woods in my neighbor's lot that has been abandoned for over 60 years. It's still kept clear by a moose that eats all the fir and spruce seedlings. The logging trails make perfect buffets for moose, and deer if there's alder, birch, etc on the sides during spring.Yes, lots of grey squirrels. Lots of deer, too. It's a rare day that I don't see ten deer and four times as many grey squirrels in my yard.
The black squirrels are melanistic grey squirrels, kind of like a panther and jaguar are the same animal. Pretty cool that you have a large population of them, it means they have been established for some time.When I had the sawyer come out and saw up lumber for my house in 2012 it was 21 cents a BF back then. Not bad at all.
The Amish around here were still charging 45 cents a BF until lumber prices went up after covid. Maybe the price for the logs went up, so they had to raise their prices too.
I have a bunch of deer and critters out here. Not that many grey squirrels, but tons of red squirrels and chipmunks. Oh and also some black squirrels. Same size as the grey except they’re all black.
In regards to planting trees, the property I’m on has been in my family for 150 years. I’m harvesting trees my dad and aunt planted as a kid. I’m hoping the trees I plant will be enjoyed somehow by my kids and grandkids.
Besides planting the larch, my dad and aunt planted a bunch of spruce that my dad planned to harvest as Christmas trees. That never happened, but the trees are still here. Nowadays he wishes he planted all larch. I do too.
Do you use a normal back cut to fell the tree? I may try something like this when I know I'll have a hard time and don't feel like using the winch.Ok thanks. Maybe I’ll use the smaller number just to be safe. I don’t want to cut too little. I need around 1200 board feet, but 1500 would be better.
It was my understanding that the Dutchman is the notch cut, and the swinging Dutchman is that notch cut used with angled back cuts (triangle) to make the tree swing around. But my knowledge is just internet knowledge, so I’ll just throw that out there
This is the notch I’m using. Sometimes I do the little angled part at the bottom and sometimes not.
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