Woohoo! Finally picked up a fireplace insert!
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Any liner meant for use with solid fuels is a class a liner. Class a is simply the rating required for chimneys servicing solid fuel appliances. Prefab chimneys have taken on that label and it kind of confused the issue
Pretty arrogant response if you ask me. Don’t forget, YOU came HERE asking for help. The people on this forum are experienced professionals, who do this daily for a living. Their advice is worth something. Sometimes, I feel like I’m asking ridiculous questions, but someone who’s knowledgeable always takes time out of their day to help. That’s what this is all about. I would do the same if someone asked me questions about my profession. We all want to be safe. Take it from someone who has had a fire, spend the extra $300 on insulation. Your insurance deductible is probable three times that much. Or....like you said....you could just trust Google. Good luck.
You are confusing terms. What you will be installing is a chimney liner, not chimney pipe. You searched for the wrong item. HT chimny pipe does have an insulation layer. But that does not go inside a chimney. It's for standalone application and it's the shiny chimney pipe you see poking out of a roof or up the side of a house.
Chimney liner is what is used inside a chimney. Again, I suggest you go to Rockford's site to learn more about the options. Chimney liner comes in single ply, rigid and flex and 2 ply flex and preinsulated flex and rigid. Even if you don't buy from them you can at least see the options and differences. You will most likely be buying single-ply flex liner.
Chimney Pipe:
Rock-Vent Class A Chimney Pipe: 316L Inner/430 Outer Stainless Pipe - Rockford Chimney
Rock-Vent Class A Insulated Chimney Pipe constructed from quality stainless steel, warranty included. Do-it-yourself installation guide. Free shipping.
www.rockfordchimneysupply.com
Chimney Liner:
Round Flexible Flue Liner - Stainless Steel Chimney Liner Only - Rockford Chimney
Rock-Flex 316Ti Stainless Steel Chimney Liners are air and water tight. Use 316Ti flexible chimney flue liners with wood, pellet, gas, oil, and coal fuels.
www.rockfordchimneysupply.com
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And this is preinsulated chimney liner in a kit. Just for illustration, it lacks the appliance adapter.
Forever Flex 6" Premium Pre-Insulated Liner Kit
ForeverFlex 6 inch chimney liner kits feature 1/2" insulation between stainless steel liners. Order at Discount Chimney Supply to enjoy free shipping.
www.discountchimneysupply.com
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
That's what I used for the liner on my Drolet 1400i stove in the fireplace...I like it a lot, but I think it is maybe just a smidge less flexible than standard single ply liner. Almost had to use a 22.5* elbow coming off my stove...was able to get it then, but just barely.
Yup. Asking for help. You're misinterpreting me. I'm not being arrogant, I just don't know what else to say. You guys told me to buy insulated, so I bougth a double wall pipe because the internet says double walled is insulated. So you're saying there is a form of drop in liner that is double walled but not insulated? Why does the internet say double walled is insulated?
K idk what to do now. I need like 14' of pipe, and the shortest I see in any of htese kits is 25'. Does anyone sell 15' sections? It sucks to spent $600 when really I need like $300 of pipe. I will look around but I already bought the one from menards since it said double walled. I also DO need to try to ovalize it through my flue, so if a true insulated liner can't flex as much , maybe I should just order an insulation kit from Selkirk, and insulate the top 10" of it but leave the insulation off right near the flue?
Today I picked up a decent sheet of aluminum and the rock wool mineral insulation, along with some high temp silicone for the blockoff plate. I also picked up some stove paint, so I'll be painting the thing this week.
Today I picked up a decent sheet of aluminum and the rock wool mineral insulation, along with some high temp silicone for the blockoff plate. I also picked up some stove paint, so I'll be painting the thing this week.
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
Yes, most places do...did you look at any of those links that @begreen has posted...the one on the last page specifically had 15' stuff listed...
Chimney Liner Insulation & Kits | Discount Chimney Supply
Chimney liner insulation kits promote better draw and help reduce creosote buildup. Insulate your chimney with help from Discount Chimney Supply.
www.discountchimneysupply.com
Yeah, this is the link begreen posted, I'm just not seeing any 15' sections.
I did find this on ebay... would this work? It says it is Rockford Chimney supply, 15' of insulation w sleeve, clamps, tape, adhesive, etc:
Chimney Liner Insulation Kit for 3 in. to 6 in. Diameter x 15 ft. Liner | eBay
It is strongly advised that you do insulate your stainless steel chimney liner to help increase draft and reduce the amount of creosote accumulation. It's important to check the inside of your flue to make sure you have enough room to accommodate for the insulation.
www.ebay.com
Would this work with the Selkirk kit I already ordered?
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
Sure...but if that is the doublewall (2 ply is a better description) liner, I would cancel or return it if possible...which should be simple enough with Menards, they are very easy to work with...do some research here, those 2 ply liners have issues...I should know, I bought one before I knew better...waste of money
$199 on eBay, it's $189 on their website. Do yourself a favor and give them a call tomorrow. Even if you don't end up buying from them you will get a lot of questions answered more quickly. If you do order from them you will find that they provide good service.Chimney Liner Insulation & Kits | Discount Chimney Supply
Chimney liner insulation kits promote better draw and help reduce creosote buildup. Insulate your chimney with help from Discount Chimney Supply.www.discountchimneysupply.com
Yeah, this is the link begreen posted, I'm just not seeing any 15' sections.
I did find this on ebay... would this work? It says it is Rockford Chimney supply, 15' of insulation w sleeve, clamps, tape, adhesive, etc:
Chimney Liner Insulation Kit for 3 in. to 6 in. Diameter x 15 ft. Liner | eBay
It is strongly advised that you do insulate your stainless steel chimney liner to help increase draft and reduce the amount of creosote accumulation. It's important to check the inside of your flue to make sure you have enough room to accommodate for the insulation.www.ebay.com
Would this work with the Selkirk kit I already ordered?
So the company that made my insert literally sells double ply liners from their company website:
Chimney kits. Stainless steel chimney liner kits
Chimney kits. Stainless steel chimney liner kits
www.osburnwoodstoves.com
So... wouldn't that mean it's fine? Also... they don't sell any insulated liners whatsoever, as far as I can tell.
Okay, I'll call them tomorrow. If you guys think I should cancel my double ply selkirk order, please let me know why... it sure seems like it's the same thing sold on the osburn website.
Double-ply liners don't have a good reputation. They tend to delaminate and fishmouth inside. That can ruin the installation. There are some pictures in old threads of failures.
For comparison, you could also call WoodlandDirect.com. They sell high-quality liners. 844.292.0145
For comparison, you could also call WoodlandDirect.com. They sell high-quality liners. 844.292.0145
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
There is tons of info on what's wrong with them already posted on this site.
But the Cliffs Notes version of the issue is that the inner ply coils don't lay back down flat after being coiled up to ship it...then that is a perfect place for creosote to build up...
Thanks, I've watched a few of those, I think I get the idea, what I was so confused about is double ply/double wall vs not double wall vs insulated. That and double ply seems better than single, but apparently not.
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
If you want something better than standard single ply liner, they make HD liner...its single ply, just thicker metal (like 0.010" instead of 0.005 or 0.006") but not really necessary for most installs...it all has to meet the same minimum standard.
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Alright, I have some updates; picked up a bunch of supplies from Menards... firewood hauler, high temp silicone, refractory mortar incase I crack anything making the liner fit, some sheet aluminum and rock wool for the block off plate, and some paint. Disassembled her and sanded the worn areas, and sprayed with 2 lighter coats of this stuff, and one medium coat.
Looks great! However, now I have to cure this thing by having small fires... so here is my question. Can I just ... uh... pre season this thing? Start a small fire in it while it sits in the driveway? Just curious!
Looks great! However, now I have to cure this thing by having small fires... so here is my question. Can I just ... uh... pre season this thing? Start a small fire in it while it sits in the driveway? Just curious!
Yes, but it will need some stove pipe to help it draw. Performance will likely be poor even with it due to weak draft so expect that the door may need to be cracked open slightly to maintain the fire.
Well I'm folking pissed off.
Menards Product listing:
"Selkirk® 6'' ID x 25' Class A Double Wall Insert Flex Kit"
Product received is not double walled AT ALL. I already tore apart the damper this morning, so... folk it. So pissed off. Idk how such a large company can completely lie about something like this.
Menards Product listing:
"Selkirk® 6'' ID x 25' Class A Double Wall Insert Flex Kit"
Product received is not double walled AT ALL. I already tore apart the damper this morning, so... folk it. So pissed off. Idk how such a large company can completely lie about something like this.
So marketing messed up. That is Selkirk Versa Liner. You should be glad it is not double-wall. Menards has a very good price on it. I wouldn't complain.
You're right. It was a blessing in disguise! I cut out the damper plate but the damper... idk... surround was cast iron, and impossible to cut even with a fresh sawzall blade. So... I stomped on the end of the liner a bit, and got it to fit through.
Roof shot:
Used 2x4s to make a temporary ramp to scoot it up into place (not pictured), here she is:
First test burn with some smallish kindling and scraps last night:
Still need to finish fabricating the blockoff plate; I have it cut from aluminum but need to cut the hole for the liner in it. I might split it in two, or maybe just notch a U shape out of the back, then have a smaller panel seal that area behind the liner? I plan on jamming as much rockwool up there as I can, and using the blockoff plate to hold it up.
I'm sure I'll have a ton left over since I had to buy an entire roll; can I cut it up into small chunks and drop it down from above? Also, should insulate the top of the chimney cap? I was thinking if I insulated the top end, it would insulate the entire chimney cavity, and given that it's central to the house, it would keep the chimney fairly warm.
Thoughts?
Did larger burn today, got the paint to offgas a bit, it's been going since about noon, so about 8 hours now. Have not hooked up the blower yet, and I think I need to bend the hot air valve handle a bit more because I don't think I can slide it fully open.
Roof shot:
Used 2x4s to make a temporary ramp to scoot it up into place (not pictured), here she is:
First test burn with some smallish kindling and scraps last night:
Still need to finish fabricating the blockoff plate; I have it cut from aluminum but need to cut the hole for the liner in it. I might split it in two, or maybe just notch a U shape out of the back, then have a smaller panel seal that area behind the liner? I plan on jamming as much rockwool up there as I can, and using the blockoff plate to hold it up.
I'm sure I'll have a ton left over since I had to buy an entire roll; can I cut it up into small chunks and drop it down from above? Also, should insulate the top of the chimney cap? I was thinking if I insulated the top end, it would insulate the entire chimney cavity, and given that it's central to the house, it would keep the chimney fairly warm.
Thoughts?
Did larger burn today, got the paint to offgas a bit, it's been going since about noon, so about 8 hours now. Have not hooked up the blower yet, and I think I need to bend the hot air valve handle a bit more because I don't think I can slide it fully open.
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