Will this be the Dark Winter that our President referred to?

[bholler]

Do you realize this forum is censored????
If you do not agree with the moderator, you are gone.

No the forum has rules. The moderators enforce them. I think you may need to look up the definition of censorship. Privately owned forums setting rules for content is not censorship sorry.

 

[Bad LP]

What is wrong with the testing of the covid vaccines?

These types of vaccines have been used for decades there is absolutely no reason to expect any side effects different from any other vaccines of a similar type.

I have direct friends, not a friend of a .... who can tell you otherwise who suffered serious side effects.
If the vaccine is so great why are those who took the shot still getting sick and more importantly still wearing the face diaper? Why are many of our leaders not taking the jab? Why do I personally know nurses, cops and firefighters who will not get jabbed? A very good friend got Covid and shut down his entire 24 hour group on the FD? That’s 4 stations of FFers. Why was the BS of Joe getting his booster on a mock stage? For what purpose? Security doesn’t cut it as the press covering the WH trip over themselves pushing crap daily.
This was rushed and hushed. Then it was pushed harder than a rock hard stool. That is not a R or D issue.

I’m not buying it.

 

[Bad LP]

That might have been understandable half a year ago.
At this point these vaccines have been used by hundreds and hundreds of millions of people. And without any significant side effects. While initial hesitance can be rationalized (tho it was not needed), hesitance at this point can not.

Testing over TIME has shown what long term side effects on Covid?? Why are they not telling us the potential side effects? You’re not be told or I’m not hearing it.

 

[Bad LP]

Do you realize this forum is censored????
If you do not agree with the moderator, you are gone.

Not so fast. I’m still here and have disagreed when posts were yanked. I’m leaving politics out of this.

My words are my opinion and I’m not violating any forum rules. Now lock outs are not out of the question but that’s another subject all together.

 

[bholler]

I have direct friends, not a friend of a .... who can tell you otherwise who suffered serious side effects.
If the vaccine is so great why are those who took the shot still getting sick and more importantly still wearing the face diaper? Why are many of our leaders not taking the jab? Why do I personally know nurses, cops and firefighters who will not get jabbed? A very good friend got Covid and shut down his entire 24 hour group on the FD? That’s 4 stations of FFers. Why was the BS of Joe getting his booster on a mock stage? For what purpose? Security doesn’t cut it as the press covering the WH trip over themselves pushing crap daily.
This was rushed and hushed. Then it was pushed harder than a rock hard stool. That is not a R or D issue.

I’m not buying it.

Yes people have had serious side effects. Just as people do with every other vaccine. The numbers of side effects from the covid vaccine are in line with other vaccines.

People are still getting sick because the vaccines aren't 100% effective. No one ever claimed they were. And they are even less effective against the Delta variant. But the number of vaccinated people who have serious cases of covid even the Delta variant are very low.

Vaccinated people like me are still wearing masks because we can still be infected. And due to the fact that the vaccine protects us from serious symptoms we may not know but could spread it to others.

As far as why some people are choosing not to get it I don't know you would have to ask them.

Again what is wrong with the testing for the covid vaccine?

 

[bholler]

Not so fast. I’m still here and have disagreed when posts were yanked. I’m leaving politics out of this.

My words are my opinion and I’m not violating any forum rules. Now lock outs are not out of the question but that’s another subject all together.

Yes you can follow the rules. I may not agree with you but that's fine.

 

[bholler]

Testing over TIME has shown what long term side effects on Covid?? Why are they not telling us the potential side effects? You’re not be told or I’m not hearing it.

Look up the data on the vaccines. They list all of the potential side effects. And when you get a vaccine that information is made available to you.

 

[Bad LP]

Yes people have had serious side effects. Just as people do with every other vaccine. The numbers of side effects from the covid vaccine are in line with other vaccines.

People are still getting sick because the vaccines aren't 100% effective. No one ever claimed they were. And they are even less effective against the Delta variant. But the number of vaccinated people who have serious cases of covid even the Delta variant are very low.

Vaccinated people like me are still wearing masks because we can still be infected. And due to the fact that the vaccine protects us from serious symptoms we may not know but could spread it to others.

As far as why some people are choosing not to get it I don't know you would have to ask them.

Again what is wrong with the testing for the covid vaccine?

I do not believe that full long term testing has been done. There has not been enough time tests performed unlike most of our well documented, approved and long term vaccinations many of us had injected.

I’m not getting it. Some of our closest friends have.
Last I knew we had a choice.

If vaccination was so important why are many not required including those we elect into office and deliver our mail?
No need to troll live bait near our southern edge.

 

[bholler]

I do not believe that full long term testing has been done. There has not been enough time tests performed unlike most of our well documented, approved and long term vaccinations many of us had injected.

I’m not getting it. Some of our closest friends have.
Last I knew we had a choice.

If vaccination was so important why are many not required including those we elect into office and deliver our mail?
No need to troll live bait near our southern edge.

I am just trying to figure out what the problems with the testing you were referring to were.

And now the lack of vaccine mandates is a reason to distrust them? That is a unique viewpoint.

 

[tlc1976]

I got the shot because Covid induced blood clots are much more likely than vaccine induced blood clots. I’ve already had 3 DVTs before the pandemic, I don’t need another source of clots.

One of my classmates from school just died this morning after a 6 week fight in the hospital. Covid blood clots ravaged his body and just wouldn’t quit. 45 just like me. His sister and mom got the shot but he chose not to.

 

[ABMax24]

In theory we have the choice of vaccination too, but restaurants, bars, movie theatres, etc are now mandated by the government to require proof of vaccination or a negative test result within 72hrs to allow entry. Employers are also allowed to force employees to take the vaccine or face termination of employment. My employer does not require this, but many of the clients we work for do.

Honestly I don't care if someone gets the vaccine or not, but our hospitals are currently overrun with unvaccinated covid patients, at first elective surgeries were being cancelled, but now all surgeries not critical to immediate survival are being cancelled. There are a slew of cancer patients currently waiting on surgeries because medical staff are spending their time treating Covid.

I wasn't in a big rush to get the vaccine because I'm in the low risk group, but my wife is due with our first child in a months time and our hospital visit during that time will almost guarantee exposure to the virus, so we have both begrudgingly went and got our first dose and will get our second in the coming days. I'm not worried about side effects of the vaccine for myself, but I wasn't a real big fan of making the decision with the wife for her to get vaccinated while pregnant.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Do you realize this forum is censored????
If you do not agree with the moderator, you are gone.

Every privately held forum is. Don't know about censored. I'd say so long as you abide by the rules of conduct there would never be an issue. Been on this forum a long time and never had any issue. The mods here seem to be very lenient as far as content and comments go and while they may or may not agree with something, I've never seen anyone get expunged.

Forums are all about expressing your opinions about various subjects and as a rule I don't post anything in this sub forum. I did because my original post wasn't about heating my home with bio mass.

I'm a (guess) a closet prepper. I think most of us on here are or we would not be heating with alternative fuels and that sort of makes us a minority.

 

[SidecarFlip]

But the number of vaccinated people who have serious cases of covid even the Delta variant are very low.

That is 100% correct and factual. Let me put it this way. I got the 'jab' (if you want to call it that because the alternative for me is certain death). I much prefer getting Covid and surviving it because I got the vaccine rather than winging it. Having said that, my wife and I do everything in our power not to get it but if we do (especially me), I take comfort in the fact that because I am vaccinated I stand a much better chance of surviving it and not having issues down the road. Covid ravages your lungs and no one really knows the long term effects but I'm not about to play the lottery with it.

I lost a friend to Covid before the vaccines came out and another person I know, an anti vaxxer succumbed to it a few weeks ago.

All I can say is, you don't want to get infected and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Fingerlakes Fireplace]

Every privately held forum is. Don't know about censored. I'd say so long as you abide by the rules of conduct there would never be an issue. Been on this forum a long time and never had any issue. The mods here seem to be very lenient as far as content and comments go and while they may or may not agree with something, I've never seen anyone get expunged.

Forums are all about expressing your opinions about various subjects and as a rule I don't post anything in this sub forum. I did because my original post wasn't about heating my home with bio mass.

I'm a (guess) a closet prepper. I think most of us on here are or we would not be heating with alternative fuels and that sort of makes us a minority.

I posted some facts about Covid here previously, about what i am seeing happening in my community, and our church group, and it was removed immediately.

 

[bholler]

I posted some facts about Covid here previously, about what i am seeing happening in my community, and our church group, and it was removed immediately.

It was not removed because of that part of your post. There were other parts that were a clear violation of the rules. If you don't like our rules you can choose not to take part in this forum.

 

[Fingerlakes Fireplace]

It was not removed because of that part of your post. There were other parts that were a clear violation of the rules. If you don't like our rules you can choose not to take part in this forum.

Ok, so if i remove my opinion, will you allow the facts in a post?

 

[SidecarFlip]

I got the shot because Covid induced blood clots are much more likely than vaccine induced blood clots. I’ve already had 3 DVTs before the pandemic, I don’t need another source of clots.

One of my classmates from school just died this morning after a 6 week fight in the hospital. Covid blood clots ravaged his body and just wouldn’t quit. 45 just like me. His sister and mom got the shot but he chose not to.

Life is all about choices. Some choices are clear cut, some aren't. As we all walk the road of life, we all get to choose but at the same time we all get to reap the rewards good or bad, from those choices. I consider getting the vaccine a personal choice and not something the government should tell me I have to do. I'm an adult I think at 71 years old and I can choose what road I want to go down. Your choice may be different but whatever that choice is, you will have to live (or die) with it.

 

[bholler]

Ok, so if i remove my opinion, will you allow the facts in a post?

If you remove the political rant part of it absolutely.

 

[Fingerlakes Fireplace]

That is 100% correct and factual. Let me put it this way. I got the 'jab' (if you want to call it that because the alternative for me is certain death). I much prefer getting Covid and surviving it because I got the vaccine rather than winging it. Having said that, my wife and I do everything in our power not to get it but if we do (especially me), I take comfort in the fact that because I am vaccinated I stand a much better chance of surviving it and not having issues down the road. Covid ravages your lungs and no one really knows the long term effects but I'm not about to play the lottery with it.

I lost a friend to Covid before the vaccines came out and another person I know, an anti vaxxer succumbed to it a few weeks ago.

All I can say is, you don't want to get infected and I'll leave it at that.

I did get it, as well as most of my friends.
Not pleasant, not deadly either.

 

[bholler]

Life is all about choices. Some choices are clear cut, some aren't. As we all walk the road of life, we all get to choose but at the same time we all get to reap the rewards good or bad, from those choices. I consider getting the vaccine a personal choice and not something the government should tell me I have to do. I'm an adult I think at 71 years old and I can choose what road I want to go down. Your choice may be different but whatever that choice is, you will have to live (or die) with it.

I can absolutely agree with that. And I don't support a vaccine mandate across the board. But I don't take issue with some consequences being imposed on those who choose not to.

 

[bholler]

I did get it, as well as most of my friends.
Not pleasant, not deadly either.

It isn't deadly for most no. But has been deadly for a few hundred thousand Americans. I know many who had it and made it through fine. But I also know some who didn't.

 

[Fingerlakes Fireplace]

Life is all about choices. Some choices are clear cut, some aren't. As we all walk the road of life, we all get to choose but at the same time we all get to reap the rewards good or bad, from those choices. I consider getting the vaccine a personal choice and not something the government should tell me I have to do. I'm an adult I think at 71 years old and I can choose what road I want to go down. Your choice may be different but whatever that choice is, you will have to live (or die) with it.

You are absolutely right!
We all have choices to make in life. As far as the choices about your health goes, there are many.
Diet probably being the biggest.

 

[SidecarFlip]

You are absolutely right!
We all have choices to make in life. As far as the choices about your health goes, there are many.
Diet probably being the biggest.

There are a boatload of overweight people in this country today. Wife and I went to the local fair this summer (so happens the outfit that puts on the rodeo buys all their hay from me so I happen to be a sponsor (and get free tickets). Anyway, I was amazed at the sheer number number of overweight people, especially the younger ones. Nothing more disgusting that seeing a young gal wearing a tank top and shorts with her belly hanging over the top of her shorts.

I wonder if they realize just how bad they look, but then again, maybe they don't care...

Lots of tats too. Guess younger people don't realize that when they age, those tats get ugly.

Lots of over weight folks running around today.

 

[Bad LP]

It isn't deadly for most no. But has been deadly for a few hundred thousand Americans. I know many who had it and made it through fine. But I also know some who didn't.

Sort of like cancer?

 

[SidecarFlip]

Sort of like cancer?

Exactly....