I've had my 50 gal for 5 years now. No issues what so ever, family of 5 with 3 teenagers and in HP only mode all the time. I would buy another one in a heart beat. Now this years model is even more efficient.
Geospring HPWH being discontinued
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I've had my 50 gal for 5 years now. No issues what so ever, family of 5 with 3 teenagers and in HP only mode all the time. I would buy another one in a heart beat. Now this years model is even more efficient.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
The worst reviews were pretty old and they keep making improvements,mine is working flawlessly so far for about 9 months. Has a long warranty so i dont see a problem.
I would not worry about it. They can survive at that temperature, and in fact even at up to 145 degrees with lower survival rates, yet the overall risk remains low, because the numbers present are very low in most water systems where the incoming water is clean and the water is used regularly so it doesn't just sit and let stuff grow.
As far as I know, the most likely sources of risk in a household environment are humidifiers stored with water in them, and hot tubs not kept maintained for extended periods of time. Basically, things that can potentially get slimy, which is the environment where legionella finds the nutrients it needs to grow, and then where water may be slashed or sprayed so droplets get breathed in.
For full disclosure, the CDC disagrees and considers 120 degree water heater settings as much of a risk of legionnaire's disease as 140 degree water is of scalding. When they study patients of the disease, they do find a fair number who don't have the classically known exposure risks (humidifiers, hot tubs, proximity to water cooling towers, etc), but they don't seem to try to distinguish between domestic hot water and other potential sources of risk, like standing water in and around the home.
So for a very rare disease that's primarily a risk to the elderly and those with weak immune systems, your water heat is at worst one of the minor risk factors.
I still see the Geospring at Lowes - does anyone know why they are still for sale so long after the discontinuance announcement? Did they have that many in stock? Or did the new owner of GE Appliances change their mind about discontinuing these?
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
Could be they sold the right to make them to someone else ,or just leftover stock. Its a great heater though ,i hope its available in the future.
The GE webpage for the GeoSpring appears to be current and it lists current rebates for our area.
http://www.geappliances.com/ge/heat-pump-hot-water-heater.htm
http://www.geappliances.com/ge/heat-pump-hot-water-heater.htm
Yes. It was sold to Bradford and White:
http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com...ord-white-buys-geospring-rights-and-equipment
What the article left unsaid is whether Bradford and While will be making them under the geospring 'badge'....or is it that GE is still selling out its existing inventory.
The article says the market for geospring is 60k units/yr. If you figure there are 60 million single family detached homes in the US, and each replaces its HWH every 10 years (average), that is 6 million tanks.yr. So figure geospring got 1% of the market, maybe everyone else together got another fraction. Sad.
The article says the market for geospring is 60k units/yr. If you figure there are 60 million single family detached homes in the US, and each replaces its HWH every 10 years (average), that is 6 million tanks.yr. So figure geospring got 1% of the market, maybe everyone else together got another fraction. Sad.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
Its sort of like Mini-splits. They are super efficient and pay for themselves over time, but the up front cost dont appeal to the masses.
Highbeam
Minister of Fire
And the intense ugliness
Through a rebate, our utility pays 1200$ towards a minisplit. It's not just about cost.Just wait until they release the water heater models.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
It dont get much uglier than radiators or baseboard radiation. Lots of places to hide the inside unit but i have to agree ,if you cant hide the outside part your in trouble. Theres a guy 2 blocks from me with one on his front porch roof UGH!And the intense ugliness
Just wait until they release the water heater models.
Companies have all sorts of alternatives including ceiling units and and wall convectors that sit on the floor.
Highbeam
Minister of Fire
Exactly!! And honestly, those alternates are often even more ugly than the wall hung monstrosity. The ceiling cassetes are like RV air conditioners so it looks like you're in a trailer. A cast iron radiator at least has some traditional charm.
With "some" of those options. The floor mounted cabinet style is unducted and heating efficiency is good. It does fall off a bit for AC. The unit can be half-embedded in the wall cavity to reduce depth.
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If you've got less ducting through unconditioned spaces, you should do slightly better overall than a central forced air system, but potentially with the benefit of zonal control, and of course, without retrofitting ducting into a home built without it. Even the ducted variable speed systems apparently do a decent amount better than most of the single-speed systems, due to the ability to run in their more efficient lower speed ranges.
Really? It seems much less obtrusive to me. I agree a radiator does have more charm, but it still gets in the way.
The cassettes don't seem like they'd be much worse visually than return air registers, which in my house is in the ceiling, too.
Personally I'm most intrigued by the idea of ducted mini-splits as an intermediate option between ductless and central systems.
Meanwhile, back on topic here is the official word from GE on the GeoSpring:
http://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-support-search-content?contentId=34296
http://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-support-search-content?contentId=34296
WoodyIsGoody
Minister of Fire
True. We have a GE HPWH in our Kauai vacation bungalow and the laundry room where the HPWH is located is the coolest room on a hot day. Electricity was around $0.43/kWh last time I checked so it makes a ton of sense. Kauai electrical rates, however, are coming down as they transition from oil to photovoltaic.
velvetfoot
Minister of Fire
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
At times i vent the cool air from the basement produced by the HPWH into the upstairs rooms . It helps cool the upstairs and also raises the room temp around the WH which allows it to run less. So win win . Iv also all but eliminated the need for a dehumidifier in the basement with this HP water heater. Another savings. Along with savings in other areas im at about 50% of my KW use from the same time last year.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
Im getting a strange clicking sound from the Geo WH before the HP starts . sometimes it dont start. like when i turn up the water temp i was surprised that it didnt start. So i turned off the power and them back on and it started but it did do the clicking sound for about 5 seconds before it started.
Where2
Feeling the Heat
Sounds like the reaction I'd expect from a high voltage relay going bad. The make/break action of delivering electrical current can tend to pit the contacts over time. If you can locate the source of the clicking sound, you may be able to isolate the component and find one on Newark or Digikey to swap it out, if you're handy with a soldering iron.
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