Am I Missing Anything?

[Walt_85]

I just ordered the Lopi Republic 1750i and I've ordered what I think are all the parts that I'm going to need to complete the install. With my crazy work schedule and the fact that most(if not all) of the parts for this sort of thing aren't available at local stores, I'm seeking input on what I might have forgotten to keep from having this project sit idle for weeks waiting on a part and the time for me to finish.

So far, here's what I've ordered:

1)Stove (duh)
2)Door (really? aren't the doors required for use? Why is it a seperate item?)
3)Surround Panels
4)Telescopic feet
5)20ft 316Ti SS Chimney Liner Kit (includes flat plate and rain cap)
6)20ft Liner Insullation kit (includes insulation, adhesive, heat tape)
7)Off-set box
8)Pending:Furnace Cement for off-set box

Ok so what am I missing? Anything? Chime in and let know.

Thanks,

 

[pen]

Any set screws you might need in stainless if they didn't come with your parts (depending on your parts).

Not sure how big the flue is the liner is going down, but if you don't have a pulling cone for it the only way I got mine down in one piece was by tying a rope in the center of an old bath towel and shoving that in the end of the liner, then duct taping the poo out of it, threw the rope down the chimney, then pulled it down as I had guiding help up top on the roof.

Are you going to make a block off plate? Stuff roxul around the liner where it enters the fireplace to keep heat from rising up the chimney around the liner?

Are you set for electric for a blower?

Did you talk to the insurance company or any local code officer (depending on your area)?

Any consideration of an outside air kit?

Does your hearth have the required frontal depth to protect combustibles? Or are you going to need a hearth rug or other protection?

Sure the mantel is high enough (if there is one and it's combustible)?

Just a few thoughts, I'm guessing this is an insert installation based upon the surround you bought, if you mentioned this in another thread I don't remember or missed it.

After you've done everything and have it in, don't forget to add the stove info to your signature!

Good luck and remember, pics or it didn't happen

 

[Walt_85]

AH, Screws! Nice Catch!

The liner kit does include a pull cone, so hopefully that'll help alot.

This insert is going into an existing ZC fireplace (the match-up is approved), I shouldn't need a block off plate right?

I'm not going the blower route because of the potential for damage in the event of having a fire with the power out because the blower constricts airflow when it isn't in operation. But there is power down there for the existing insert, so if we decide to add it later it shouldn't be a problem.

We're out of the city limits and I'm doing the install, so permits aren't an issue. And I did call my insurance agent and he said everything is good to go.

The existing ZC fireplace had outside air but the port has been blocked off. I'm still trying to figure out which is better. If I need to change something later on, it's just a matter of removing the surround panels and getting the the air inlet.

Hearth and mantel all meet or exceed installation manual requirements.

Really appreciate the questions! It's helping me run through things in my head while I wait on the "15 minutes to close" message here at bass pro.

 

[pen]

If there is a gap around the liner where heated air could go up and fill the chimney, then it wouldn't hurt to shove some roxul insulation around it to keep the heat down around the unit where it is meant to do it's deed in heating the house.

If this were a free standing stove and the opening was a lot larger than the stove (no surround) I'd consider trying things w/out a blower.

If things around a good portion of the unit are going to be closed up, I think you'll find a lot of heat that can't escape and the blower may be very useful.

pen

 

[PDXpyro]

I'm not going the blower route because of the potential for damage in the event of having a fire with the power out because the blower constricts airflow when it isn't in operation.
Hmmmmm.... when we got our Lopi a few years ago I'd wondered about that, and was assured by the dealer that it was a non-issue. At the time we bought the insert they were having a promotion and threw the blower in for free, so it was a no-brainer... After a few years' operation it's become obvious that the unit wouldn't heat our house half as effectively without the blower, so we run it virtually all the time, but usually at half-speed or less.

However, one of the main reasons I convinced my wife that we really needed to have this thing was for backup heat in power outages. We're low on the power company's priority list when outages occur, and a couple of four or five-day outages in very cold (for Western Oregon) weather have happened before... so obviously we'd be running the insert at full blast, without the fan, while trying to keep the house unfrozen the next time that happens. What is this potential "damage" you refer to in that scenario?

 

[PDXpyro]

--After posting my question I thought some more about this, and realized that one reason our insert doesn't seem to heat nearly as well without the blower might very well be that natural convection flow is restricted when it's turned off. Could be that it'd be worth my time to practice pulling the blower off the stove -- I haven't tried this yet -- in cases where we might be without electricity for a while.

However, I did specifically ask the the dealer at the time if the unit would heat better without a blower installed if it was turned off anyway, and he dismissed that concern... could be a slight case of misinformation.

 

[Sprinter]

If this were a free standing stove and the opening was a lot larger than the stove (no surround) I'd consider trying things w/out a blower.
If things around a good portion of the unit are going to be closed up, I think you'll find a lot of heat that can't escape and the blower may be very useful.

Isn't a blower pretty much necessary to get the heat from an insert out into the room? Especially on an external fireplace where so much heat can be lost to the outside? Just asking.

I know a lot of insert owners here have a small emergency generator for outages, as do pellet stove users. Good for fridges and stuff, too.

 

[Sprinter]

However, I did specifically ask the the dealer at the time if the unit would heat better without a blower installed if it was turned off anyway, and he dismissed that concern... could be a slight case of misinformation

Misinformation from a dealer? Say it ain't so. Seriously, getting good information from a dealer is kind of a crap shoot in my experience. Some are good, some are bad. You have to ask around.

 

[PDXpyro]

Isn't a blower pretty much necessary to get the heat from an insert out into the room? Especially on an external fireplace where so much heat can be lost to the outside? Just asking.

I know a lot of insert owners here have a small emergency generator for outages, as do pellet stove users.

*Sigh* Believe me, I've thought of that... so a "small generator" might well be next on our purchase list... or should we just get a BIG generator and run the gas furnace, lights, refrigerator, etc., etc., etc? Egad, this never ends!

 

[Sprinter]

*Sigh* Believe me, I've thought of that... so a "small generator" might well be next on our purchase list... or should we just get a BIG generator and run the gas furnace, lights, refrigerator, etc., etc., etc? Egad, this never ends!

Now, that's a question for the "gear" forum here. Plenty of thoughts on generators there. Plenty.

 

[webby3650]

Isn't a blower pretty much necessary to get the heat from an insert out into the room? Especially on an external fireplace where so much heat can be lost to the outside? Just asking.

I know a lot of insert owners here have a small emergency generator for outages, as do pellet stove users. Good for fridges and stuff, too.

That's right. You will need the blower! Why would you not go for the blower?
The door isn't included in the price because there are several options. Brass, Nickel, or black.