Any Dodge truck experts out there?

[jetsam]

I picked up a beat-to-hell 1976 Dodge W200 Sno Fiter (still with a working plow on it) yesterday. This thing also has a PTO-driven winch on the front.

Does anyone know if the civilian versions of this truck (which I assume this one is, because it has the Sno Fiter package) had a PTO winch available as an option?
It's not listed in the Dodge dealership books, but neither is the Sno Fiter package.

I am trying to research how the power transfer between the plow and the winch works, and I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that this may be a homemade add-on and I am going to have to figure it out myself.

I am going to be hauling a lot of wood out of the woods with this thing.

Edit: Figured out how it works. That winch seems like it could pull the truck up a vertical wall. With the transmission in L1, it goes (at a guess) a half inch a second. Still not sure if Dodge put it on there.

 

[jetsam]

Went for a second drive after lunch, remembered to take a saw this time.

 

[greg13]

If I remember correctly the transfer case had a PTO plate. The case is most likely a NPG case.
To operate the PTO, put the case in neutral, and put the transmission in gear. Most dealers would have no idea on the truck since the truck is older than most of the people that work there.
The plow (should be a Myers) is either powered by a belt drive pump or electric.That was about the time that they were switching from belt to electric. the electric pump would be up front by the lift cylinder.

 

[jetsam]

If I remember correctly the transfer case had a PTO plate. The case is most likely a NPG case.
To operate the PTO, put the case in neutral, and put the transmission in gear. Most dealers would have no idea on the truck since the truck is older than most of the people that work there.
The plow (should be a Myers) is either powered by a belt drive pump or electric.That was about the time that they were switching from belt to electric. the electric pump would be up front by the lift cylinder.

The PTO comes off of the rear transaxle, durn thing is long. There's a transfer pull for it in the cab, and a clutch on the winch itself. It does work like you said- transfer in neutral, and forward or reverse gears to run the winch in either direction. I couldn't figure it out at first because I hadn't noticed the clutch outside on the winch.

That PTO makes me wonder what else I could bolt on there (front loader, backhoe, brushhog... )

I will have to follow some hoses back and see what runs the pump.... I doubt it's electric (because it works fine, unlike every other electric thing on the truck).

 

[jetsam]

The hydraulics for the plow are all run off one pump, which is belt-driven.

Crazy thing has more (leaky) plumbing in it than a cheap motel. Ought to keep me busy for a while.

 

[firefighterjake]

You are going to completely confuse folks with your "Dodvolet" . . . or is it a "Chevoge"?

 

[Lloyd the redneck]

Looks pretty sweet! I have never seen anything like that to drive a winch but mechanical drives are great. Nice score!

 

[jetsam]

You are going to completely confuse folks with your "Dodvolet" . . . or is it a "Chevoge"?

It is clearly a Dodgerolet because the Dodge part is in front and the Chevy part comes after.

 

[jetsam]

Looks pretty sweet! I have never seen anything like that to drive a winch but mechanical drives are great. Nice score!

It's a Koenig C-100, which was apparently possible to get from the factory? It's not listed in any of the 1976 Dodge dealership literature, so I'm not really sure.

Here's a picture of somebody else's C-100. Mine doesn't have that fancy side transfer with the lever as shown- it connects directly to the D60 transaxle, and the transaxle has a switch on a cable to transfer power from the transmission to the PTO.

There's a clutch on the winch (that handle on the left is the clutch, and the little plunger locks it in or out).

It's kind of a crazy setup because the drive shaft is about 8 feet long. I think the one pictured is quite a bit shorter than mine, but mine does have that 4 way joint in the middle.

From my winch gearbox: "KOENIG IRON WORKS INC. HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA"

 

[Jags]

I have seen a couple of older trucks with that style of setup but never on a 70s truck. Makes me wonder if it wasn't a retro setup.

 

[festerw]

Can't help you out with the winch but if you need any info on the plow one of the best people to ask would be this guy.
http://www.smithbrothersservices.com/

 

[jetsam]

I have seen a couple of older trucks with that style of setup but never on a 70s truck. Makes me wonder if it wasn't a retro setup.

I've been picking some brains on dodge forums, and it turns out that the question "Is X original equipment?" is really tough.

For example, my W200 has the "Sno Fiter" package on it. This was popular package for people who needed a little 3/4 ton plow truck, and there are lots of them out there. Check the dodge dealer manuals- and it doesn't exist.

Apparently dealerships nationwide would offer the same non-factory packages, which Dodge would advertise for but not produce at the factories, and different dealers sometimes sourced parts differently for some packages. I've heard a half dozen opinions on what winch you could get on a 1976 W200 Sno Fiter, for example.

It's all rather confusing and not THAT interesting.

I am gonna go with "I have a Koenig PTO winch and it works great", and leave it at that.

 

[Lloyd the redneck]

I'm trying to wrap my head around this, so your pto comes off the rear axle? Or is there a transfer case like the one you found a picture of , and is that another case off the 4wd case ? My neighbor is a dodge freak and I need to pay him a visit tomorrow I'll see what he knows. You could make one of those wildly dangerous splitters that run on pto! Haha

 

[jetsam]

I'm trying to wrap my head around this, so your pto comes off the rear axle? Or is there a transfer case like the one you found a picture of , and is that another case off the 4wd case ? My neighbor is a dodge freak and I need to pay him a visit tomorrow I'll see what he knows. You could make one of those wildly dangerous splitters that run on pto! Haha

The PTO comes off the rear transaxle. There is no other transfer case. It looks pretty strange. The transaxle just does 4WD low, 4WD high, neutral, and PTO. The PTO setting leaves the transmission in line, so you shift forwards and reverse to run the PTO forwards and backwards. I haven't played with higher gears, but first gear runs the winch very slowly.

I haven't tried it with a load yet, but it looks to be a pretty strong winch. I have some huge hunks o' tree that I need to move, so I'll have fun with that. The Koenig C-100 is rated at 8000#. The only 8000# thing I will ever need to winch is the truck itself, and hopefully it'll be wheel side down when that happens.

 

[jetsam]

Welp, I went to get a photo for lloyd, and it turns out that the information I had was total crap. The PTO comes off the transfer case, and now the whole thing makes a lot more sense.

Beware experts on the internet. (Also off the internet.)

I'm not an expert but I do have a photo!

You can see the rear transaxle in the background; clearly it's wondering why it even got mentioned as the PTO provider.

The bizarre part of this is that I remember seeing a huge long shaft going all the way back there after the guy told me the PTO went to thr rear transaxle via an 8' shaft... the only thing I could have confused it with is the drive shaft, and you would think that would be a hard mistake to make... ???

Oh well, looking forward to getting a little older so I can call this sort of thing senility.

 

[Ashful]

I'm confused by your use of the word Transaxle. I've driven mid-engine cars with transaxles, but never a pickup truck.

Don't you mean transfer case?

Cool rig, either way!

 

[cd36]

Transmission - front engine, rear wheel drive. External differential. One output shaft goes to a transfer case or differential.

Transaxle - front engine, front wheel drive (typically). Very similar to transmission except contains transmission and differential. Two outputs go straight to your halfshafts that drive the wheels.

Transfer case - used in 4x4 vehicles sits right behind the transmission and has 2 outputs, one to front differential and one to rear differential. Used to put the truck in 2wd/4x4.

Differential - receives input from transmission or transfer case. Output is to axles that drive wheels. Allows one wheel to spin at a different speed than the other for turning.

Very quick rundown on terms, I know I left out alot but should clear up confusion of what each term is.

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[jetsam]

Transmission - front engine, rear wheel drive. External differential. One output shaft goes to a transfer case or differential.

Transaxle - front engine, front wheel drive (typically). Very similar to transmission except contains transmission and differential. Two outputs go straight to your halfshafts that drive the wheels.

Transfer case - used in 4x4 vehicles sits right behind the transmission and has 2 outputs, one to front differential and one to rear differential. Used to put the truck in 2wd/4x4.

Differential - receives input from transmission or transfer case. Output is to axles that drive wheels. Allows one wheel to spin at a different speed than the other for turning.

Very quick rundown on terms, I know I left out alot but should clear up confusion of what each term is.

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Than I am saying "transaxle" where I should be saying "differential". "Transaxle" looks like a great word to describe the thing... it sits right in the middle of the axle...

Thank you for the clarification. It bugs me when people misuse words, most of all when it's me.

@Ashful: Yes, I was under the mistaken impression that the PTO somehow connected to the rear differential, when in fact it connects to the transfer case.

I would go back and edit my posts, but then all the people correcting me would be confusing for future readers soaking up wisdom from this thread...

 

[Highbeam]

I read the whole thread hoping that somebody would call that thing a differential. Easy way to remember is that a transaxle is a combination of the words transmission and axle. A transaxle does both things between the engine and the wheels. Sorry.

I see now that the PTO winches have lost popularity for the hydraulic winches run off of the PS pump. You can even run them under water!

 

[greg13]

OK so to clarify everything, You have a front mounted winch powered by a transfer case driven PTO.

 

[jetsam]

OK so to clarify everything, You have a front mounted winch powered by a transfer case driven PTO.

AND I learned the difference between a transaxle and a differential! Gold stars for everybody.

To celebrate, here's a picture of a tire patch kit I found in the toolbox. "Made in U.S.A. Toronto, Canada."

 

[blades]

current fords pto out put from automatic tranny, towards the rear of tranny passenger side.

 

[jetsam]

I wonder why modern trucks even have 'em... there's only so many things you will want to power using a system that immobilizes the vehicle, and you can run a pretty big winch from a belt driven pump.

I guess if you need a high output generator or pump on your truck... but portable small-engine versions of both are probably cheaper.

 

[Ashful]

Ditto. Most discuss using them for generators or hydraulic pumps, but there are easier and cheaper ways to connect both of those accessories, within the limits of what's useful on a pickup truck. The 3/4 ton pickup market is filled with people buying options for the sole purpose of saying "my truck is better than your truck", whether they have any use for those options, or not. I see massively impressive brush guards and mud tires on a dozen trucks a day... trucks that have surely never been off the road in any brush.

 

[jetsam]

I call 'em "Barbie Dress-Up Trucks", and it applies to just about every truck out here on Long Island.

It's gotta have at least 4 doors, tiny bed, a special cover over the tiny bed so nothing can accidentally get in there, tinted everything including license plates and headlights, chrome chit slapped on all over everything.... I've even seen a couple with chrome headlight covers.

I guess I could understand how one really extremely insecure city dweller could decide the barbie dress up truck was his way to prove that he was very manly, but how did this become the standard truck type???

I guess if it makes you happy, that's a good enough reason- but a used moped costs $100, gets 90MPG, and has about the same cargo capacity as one of those.