Anyone planning on buying a pre-2020 wood stove in 2020?

blacktop37

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Jan 4, 2009
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S. central Ks.
Sorry Im late to this discussion, what is the main things that will be done to make them more efficient? I figure must be more air and make them run hotter, ?? Bigger cat? thanks!!
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
84,216
South Puget Sound, WA
It depends on the stove. There are some that just have had minor modifications and some that have had major ones.
 
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Zerotonine

New Member
Jun 26, 2019
9
Minnesota
Not so, some 2020 compliant stoves have been selling for a good part of 2019.
My mistake. What I had meant to say is:

My understanding of the rule is the *manufacturers* cannot sell 2020-noncompliant units (to retailers) after 12/31/19.
.. and that retailers then have until 5/31 to sell non-2020 stock.
 

blacktail

Minister of Fire
Sep 18, 2011
1,416
Western WA
I just looked at Lopi's website for the first time in a while and a few models are gone from their insert lineup.
 

rwh63

New Member
Nov 12, 2019
70
MA
i'll probably start sending out feelers from regional shops in March. not sure what inventory will be left, but buyers will be ion drivers seat for a change. bring cash!
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
22,130
central pa
i'll probably start sending out feelers from regional shops in March. not sure what inventory will be left, but buyers will be ion drivers seat for a change. bring cash!
Chances are there will be very little is any choice in pre 2020 stoves t that point.
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
22,130
central pa
maybe, maybe not.
Probably not. Many stoves have been out of production for a while and are getting harder to find. By March I really doubt you will have much choice left.
 

jmdavis984

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Nov 22, 2019
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The dealers around us were blowing out their inventory of 2019 models. I was looking at a Quadra-fire, and the old models were being made to order until the end of the year, with 3-6 wk wait times.

I bought a 2019 Pacific Energy Summit LE Insert, and it was already under the 2020 spec, so I don't believe it is changing for the new regs.
 

bholler

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Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
22,130
central pa
The dealers around us were blowing out their inventory of 2019 models. I was looking at a Quadra-fire, and the old models were being made to order until the end of the year, with 3-6 wk wait times.

I bought a 2019 Pacific Energy Summit LE Insert, and it was already under the 2020 spec, so I don't believe it is changing for the new regs.
If it has already been tested using the 2020 standard and method no change would be needed. The regency pro line needed no physical changes but they had to be retested and renamed in the 2020 compliant version.
 

Geoff C

Burning Hunk
Oct 29, 2011
104
PA
I just picked up a Jotul Oslo floor model for about 50% off.


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bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
22,130
central pa
I just picked up a Jotul Oslo floor model for about 50% off.


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Nice. There will definitely be deals out there. Especially because most floor models will have to go
 

Williej

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Dec 24, 2019
8
Montreal
Can you tell me who sets the regulations for stoves in the US? Or is this an industry standard? Here in my part of Canada the standard is set by my city. (We just installed a Regency that is compliant with city regulations).
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
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Can you tell me who sets the regulations for stoves in the US? Or is this an industry standard? Here in my part of Canada the standard is set by my city. (We just installed a Regency that is compliant with city regulations).
It depends what regulations you are referring to
 

ABMax24

Feeling the Heat
Can you tell me who sets the regulations for stoves in the US? Or is this an industry standard? Here in my part of Canada the standard is set by my city. (We just installed a Regency that is compliant with city regulations).
In Canada we adopt the CSA B415 emissions standards. This CSA standard is the same as the EPA at a max of 2.5 g/hr.

Montreal just implemented the standards a year early, and required all old non EPA 2020 compliant appliances to be replaced with new versions due to poor air quality.

Most other jurisdictions in Canada have allowed all older appliance to remain in operation, just new ones must comply with the new standards.
 

bholler

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Jan 14, 2014
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In Canada we adopt the CSA B415 emissions standards. This CSA standard is the same as the EPA at a max of 2.5 g/hr.

Montreal just implemented the standards a year early, and required all old non EPA 2020 compliant appliances to be replaced with new versions due to poor air quality.

Most other jurisdictions in Canada have allowed all older appliance to remain in operation, just new ones must comply with the new standards.
It is pretty much the same in the us as well
 

Williej

New Member
Dec 24, 2019
8
Montreal
Thanks. So even though the Regency we bought and installed was bought in 2019 it is 2020 compliant, so the "2020" refers to EPA /CSA standard and not when the stove was manufactured? (I understand the emissions figure is for only when using the catalytic converter?)
 

ABMax24

Feeling the Heat
Thanks. So even though the Regency we bought and installed was bought in 2019 it is 2020 compliant, so the "2020" refers to EPA /CSA standard and not when the stove was manufactured? (I understand the emissions figure is for only when using the catalytic converter?)
Not necessarily it depends on the model you have.

At first the City of Montreal had to look at the old EPA regulations to decide whether or not to allow the appliance to be installed as most appliances weren't tested to 2020 standards yet. So if an appliance was certified to meet or exceed the old 4.5 g/hr spec but its rating was less than 2.5 g/hr it was allowed while not actually being tested to the 2020 standards.
 

BKVP

Minister of Fire
My mistake. What I had meant to say is:

My understanding of the rule is the *manufacturers* cannot sell 2020-noncompliant units (to retailers) after 12/31/19.
.. and that retailers then have until 5/31 to sell non-2020 stock.
The deadline for the sale of Step 1 heaters (those not meeting EPA's 2020 requirements) is the same for all vested parties. The rule call distributors and retailers "commercial owners". Manufacturers and commercial owners can make and sell Step 1 heaters until May 15, 2020. EPA did not provide a "sell through" period as has been provided in the past rule makings.
 

BKVP

Minister of Fire
And for relatives in Canada looking to buy a wood stove........

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stovelark

Minister of Fire
Oct 10, 2009
1,501
SE CT
Well, being a huge Jotul fan for years and years, the F500 is still my favorite full cast stove. While I'm glad to see Jotul keep her and get it approved, it is different. Its price increase isn't helping either. With just the Oslo and 602 approved now, it leaves Jotul way behind. This company has been around since 1853, I do believe it will survive. We sell a lot of gas stoves and Jotul fills that nicely. What the new specs have done is make stoves like Osburn and the new Regency 2451 cast insert more popular.
 

rosem

Member
Aug 27, 2019
111
Northern Michigan
Well, being a huge Jotul fan for years and years, the F500 is still my favorite full cast stove. While I'm glad to see Jotul keep her and get it approved, it is different. Its price increase isn't helping either. With just the Oslo and 602 approved now, it leaves Jotul way behind. This company has been around since 1853, I do believe it will survive. We sell a lot of gas stoves and Jotul fills that nicely. What the new specs have done is make stoves like Osburn and the new Regency 2451 cast insert more popular.
Isn't the F45 V2 approved too?
 

stovelark

Minister of Fire
Oct 10, 2009
1,501
SE CT
Hi Rosem, oh yeah forot Greenville- yes its approved, we just recently got her back on the floor. Hope the Carrabassett gets through, she is a heat-beast!