Just looking for some input on which one is better. Debating on the englander 30-bc or th napoleon 1450. Any info is appreciated
meatis20b said:Just looking for some input on which one is better. Debating on the englander 30-bc or th napoleon 1450. Any info is appreciated
EatenByLimestone said:Check to make sure you are getting a complete stove when you look at prices. I checked out a N dealer and they wanted to sell the door as an option. I'm not sure if this is common practice or not. Apples to apples and all that...
Matt
BrowningBAR said:EatenByLimestone said:Check to make sure you are getting a complete stove when you look at prices. I checked out a N dealer and they wanted to sell the door as an option. I'm not sure if this is common practice or not. Apples to apples and all that...
Matt
From what I've seen online a lot of resellers do that with the Napoleons, Osburns and a few others. I find to be a bit lame.
FyreBug said:Englander, US Stove, Vovelzang, Drolet, GHP, Century, Flame etc... are all big box store brands and as such come 'all black' complete with very few options. That's what the consumers who buy in those stores want.
Napoleon, Lopi, Osburn, Regency, PE etc... are all 'boutique' or specialty retailer brands and as such offer the consumers more choices. ie. ped vs legs, door overlays, installation, support etc... Quality, price, warranty are also higher in those brands. That's what that consumer base wants.
leeave96 said:FyreBug said:Englander, US Stove, Vovelzang, Drolet, GHP, Century, Flame etc... are all big box store brands and as such come 'all black' complete with very few options. That's what the consumers who buy in those stores want.
Napoleon, Lopi, Osburn, Regency, PE etc... are all 'boutique' or specialty retailer brands and as such offer the consumers more choices. ie. ped vs legs, door overlays, installation, support etc... Quality, price, warranty are also higher in those brands. That's what that consumer base wants.
Englander offers both pedistal and legs on the 30, as well as door overlays and some of the best suppport in the industry - factory direct like Woodstock. I would stack their quality up against any brand too.
To me a steel plate stove is a steel plate stove. If you want a quality stove for fraction of the price with outstanding support and a great quality reputation, Englander falls into that catagory.
Bill
FyreBug said:leeave96 said:FyreBug said:Englander, US Stove, Vovelzang, Drolet, GHP, Century, Flame etc... are all big box store brands and as such come 'all black' complete with very few options. That's what the consumers who buy in those stores want.
Napoleon, Lopi, Osburn, Regency, PE etc... are all 'boutique' or specialty retailer brands and as such offer the consumers more choices. ie. ped vs legs, door overlays, installation, support etc... Quality, price, warranty are also higher in those brands. That's what that consumer base wants.
Englander offers both pedistal and legs on the 30, as well as door overlays and some of the best suppport in the industry - factory direct like Woodstock. I would stack their quality up against any brand too.
To me a steel plate stove is a steel plate stove. If you want a quality stove for fraction of the price with outstanding support and a great quality reputation, Englander falls into that catagory.
Bill
This was in response to someone who said it was 'lame' to offer those choices. Never argued the point Englander is a great product. However.... You will typically find thicker plate, better bricks, baffles, warranties etc... on specialty retailer brands. Don't believe me, Put an Osburn 2400 and Englander 30 side by side and come back and tell me what you see.
Finally, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If is up to each individual to decide what is important to them. Some of them will prefer a brand over another for a variety of reasons and cost is not always the determining factor.
BeGreen said:Yes, with a plug like that, it "Had Better Live Up To The Hype". LOL. They are good stoves, but there are heavier ones on the market and some with a more solid baffle system. What Englander provides is great value and service. And that is definitely a strong plus.
Hey Bert, I have an Osburn question. It is very rare to hear a complaint about them, but two we saw here totally perplexed us. They were both about failed paint jobs. The paint looked ok, but either outgassed or put tiny particles of soot in the air, even after a season of use. I think both of these stoves were sent back to the plant for analysis. Do you know if they ever figured out what the problem was? They presented one of the odder problems we have seen here.
BeGreen said:One was Swedishchef's: https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/53448/
The other was way back, I haven't found it yet. This nice lady had a stove that would film up her curtains and walls with a dark oily substance. It was a long thread and after querying you could see that she knew had to burn correctly and was not anywhere near overfiring the stove. She had multiple visits from her dealer who tried all sorts of tricks, but nothing worked. Amazingly she kept a pretty good attitude about the problem and eventually the stove was authorized for exchange by the dealer. New stove went in and voila, no problems. I think that was the last we heard from her.
BeGreen said:Yeah, that is a funny one. I always thought of Napoleon as a value stove. Thicker steel comes with some of the stoves from SBI, Travis, PE.
FyreBug said:BeGreen said:Yeah, that is a funny one. I always thought of Napoleon as a value stove. Thicker steel comes with some of the stoves from SBI, Travis, PE.
Nap doesn't sell in big box stores but in specialty retailers (and etailers). That's why I classed them with those other brands.
FyreBug said:BeGreen said:One was Swedishchef's: https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/53448/
The other was way back, I haven't found it yet. This nice lady had a stove that would film up her curtains and walls with a dark oily substance. It was a long thread and after querying you could see that she knew had to burn correctly and was not anywhere near overfiring the stove. She had multiple visits from her dealer who tried all sorts of tricks, but nothing worked. Amazingly she kept a pretty good attitude about the problem and eventually the stove was authorized for exchange by the dealer. New stove went in and voila, no problems. I think that was the last we heard from her.
Thanks, Just PM'd Swedi.. and will track down the results.
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