Harman P61 Esp light on fan on full

[Spaz]

Put it on auto ignite and it started shutting down. It almost went out, so I turned the heat up and the ignitor came on and distribution fan. Turn it back to 75 and it stopped feeding. Turn it up to 80 it started feeding again and ignitor came on. Turned it back down to 70 and ignitor back on and still feeding. Turned it down to 50 stopped feeding blower fan came on. Turned it back to 75 stopped feeding distribution fan came on. This all while it's 80 degrees at the sensor. Put it back on ignitor disabled distribution fan stopped working status light came on. Switched back to ignitor on status light went off distribution fan not working. Turn the stove off and on back to ignitor on fan now working status light off not dropping pellets. And it's going to turn off. Turned up the heat to 80 feed light came on ignitor came on status light on. Turned it back down to 75 stopped feeding distribution fan on and status light off. Turn auto ignite off status light comes on. Back to auto ignite on status light goes off. It's getting to hot in here to do any more, Turned it up to 80 one last time and it turned back on started feeding and ignitor came on, turn it back to 75 stopped feeding and ignitor went off status light off. Again I'm betting it will completely turn off at which point I will let it turn off clean it out and turn it on manually tonight. Totally not impressed for $9000 Can. I put it back on ignitor disabled and it started up again this is at 80f with it set at 75f. I'm not going to get any help from the dealer, probably for a while they're to backed up.

 

[Spaz]

Just for fun before it went out I switched it back to ignitor disabled and it seems to be in idle mode now not sure but it's feeding at a very low rate. I'll give it a few minutes and see what happens. Distribution fan doesn't work and it's pumping out more heat again. I went back to auto and the distribution fan didn't work, so I quickly went to off and on and it started up again. Going to watch it go out now. And deal with it later.

 

[Washed-Up]

When the esp calls for heat it gets to the set point as quick as possible that’s why it feeds the way it does

 

[Spaz]

Just for fun before it went out I switched it back to ignitor disabled and it seems to be in idle mode now not sure but it's feeding at a very low rate. I'll give it a few minutes and see what happens. Distribution fan doesn't work and it's pumping out more heat again. I went back to auto and the distribution fan didn't work, so I quickly went to off and on and it started up again. Going to watch it go out now. And deal with it later.

Any one have an idea what's going on, feel free to to call me collect if necessary @ 902-614-1647 thanks

 

[Spaz]

When the esp calls for heat it gets to the set point as quick as possible that’s why it feeds the way it does

Unfortunately it doesn't idle down. So it's running like it's on 2-3 all the time without the fan on. That's on auto ignite disabled, it just shuts right off with auto ignite on. Even if I turn it down to 50 on auto ignite disabled it keeps running like it's on 2-3 with no fan on. It's set on 75 right now and almost off, I just bumped it up to 80 and it fired up again. If I go back to 75 it will turn completely off. That's with auto ignite on. If I go to auto ignite disabled it won't come close to shutting down.

 

[Washed-Up]

Any adjustments you make aren’t immediate. Judging by the timeline of your posts you’re expecting instant results and that’s just not the way any Pelletstove works.

 

[Spaz]

I'm just in the process on letting it completely turn off in auto ignite on.

 

[Spaz]

Any adjustments you make aren’t immediate. Judging by the timeline of your posts you’re expecting instant results and that’s just not the way any Pelletstove works.

I just did a test to see if it will idle down in auto ignite off. It was literally out and it started right back up and started piling the heat on when it's 6 degrees past the set point. I don't believe it's suppose to do that.

 

[Spaz]

I just did a test to see if it will idle down in auto ignite off. It was literally out and it started right back up and started piling the heat on when it's 6 degrees past the set point. I don't believe it's suppose to do that.

I'm now back to auto ignite on, waiting for it to go out or go to idle.

 

[Spaz]

Any adjustments you make aren’t immediate. Judging by the timeline of your posts you’re expecting instant results and that’s just not the way any Pelletstove works.

It ran most of the morning in auto ignite off and never came close to idling down. At 8:20 after being on for 3 hours with auto ignite disabled I started worrying, which lead me to make this post. I pretty sure it should have slowed down after the 3 hours running at 80f and not idling down. Like I said it ran like it was running on 2-3 but with out the fan on and a set point of 75 right down to 50. No noticable drop in temp, in fact it started going up.

 

[Whitenuckler]

I'm now back to auto ignite on, waiting for it to go out or go to idle.

It all seems normal to me. I don't torture test it like you do though. If I'm in room mode once it's going I go to Igniter off and it idles with the blower off. I usually turn the dial down too to force it to idle as I know I don't need the heat. I could probably just run in stove mode also if I don't want it to go out and just idle. It all depends on how much heat you need. Mine's in the basement so I can use the idle heat usually.

 

[Spaz]

It all seems normal to me. I don't torture test it like you do though. If I'm in room mode once it's going I go to Igniter off and it idles with the blower off. I usually turn the dial down too to force it to idle as I know I don't need the heat. I could probably just run in stove mode also if I don't want it to go out and just idle. It all depends on how much heat you need. Mine's in the basement so I can use the idle heat usually.

It never idled down in 3 hours of running set at 75f down to 50f. I ran all night on stove mode until I hooked up the external sensor and switched it over to room mode this morning at 5:30. It was 80f when I started and set at 75, never cooled down just keep pumping out heat despite me dropping it at one point to 50f. I think at 1 point I got it down to 78, being set at 75 you'd think it would cool off more then that in 3 hours. Like I said it ran like it was on 2-3 the whole time with the fan off and never dropped lower then 78. I even changed external sensors to see if they were working. The lights started flashing when not connected ( both of them I have 2) so I can assume they worked. They must work if it shut itself off twice in auto ignite mode. But yet in room mode I doesn't recognize that it's hit the set point. That's the issue. In stove mode it does.

 

[Washed-Up]

You’re overthinking it, that’s the only way I can describe this and the last stove, could also be the location of the stove.

 

[Spaz]

It never idled down in 3 hours of running set at 75f down to 50f. I ran all night on stove mode until I hooked up the external sensor and switched it over to room mode this morning at 5:30. It was 80f when I started and set at 75, never cooled down just keep pumping out heat despite me dropping it at one point to 50f. I think at 1 point I got it down to 78, being set at 75 you'd think it would cool off more then that in 3 hours. Like I said it ran like it was on 2-3 the whole time with the fan off and never dropped lower then 78. I even changed external sensors to see if they were working. The lights started flashing when not connected ( both of them I have 2) so I can assume they worked. They must work if it shut itself off twice in auto ignite mode. But yet in room mode I doesn't recognize that it's hit the set point. That's the issue. In stove mode it does.

Let me make sure I'm doing this right. Run it auto ignite off and it should idle after it hits the set point. And with it on auto ignite off the blower does work either. I'm going to call my tech and make sure this stove will do it. Not that I don't believe any one, I just can't believe the issues I have with them. I did restart it and it started fine, also turned off fine, which is what I was concerned about. Last thing to check is if it comes on all by itself. What's the swing on these I have it set on 75, what temp should it come on at and go off at?

 

[Washed-Up]

You’re paying too much attention to the temperature of the stove. Put it at 1 and 1 auto light and see if the room/house warms up to your liking, then leave it for an hour or 2, then 1 and 2 etc…it’s going to take some experimenting over hours to figure out works for your needs. As I’ve said before if I want a quick warm up I’ll put mine in stove mode at feed rate 4 and depending on the temp in the house/front room I’ll set the temperature at 1 through 4…I don’t pay any attention to what the temperature of the stove rather how the temperature in the living room is or where I am in the house. Currently-7 and I’m on feed rate 4 and temp at 2…I’ll be turning it down once the living room hits about 22-24c

 

[Whitenuckler]

It never idled down in 3 hours of running set at 75f down to 50f. I ran all night on stove mode until I hooked up the external sensor and switched it over to room mode this morning at 5:30. It was 80f when I started and set at 75, never cooled down just keep pumping out heat despite me dropping it at one point to 50f. I think at 1 point I got it down to 78, being set at 75 you'd think it would cool off more then that in 3 hours. Like I said it ran like it was on 2-3 the whole time with the fan off and never dropped lower then 78. I even changed external sensors to see if they were working. The lights started flashing when not connected ( both of them I have 2) so I can assume they worked. They must work if it shut itself off twice in auto ignite mode. But yet in room mode I doesn't recognize that it's hit the set point. That's the issue. In stove mode it does.

It will never idle down lower than about 300F. If that's too much heat, then you need to let itself shutdown and restart later. The stove is brand new, so there is a 99.5% chance the stove is operating correctly. The only problem I ever had was due to improper cleaning procedures.

 

[Spaz]

Let me make sure I'm doing this right. Run it auto ignite off and it should idle after it hits the set point. And with it on auto ignite off the blower does work either. I'm going to call my tech and make sure this stove will do it. Not that I don't believe any one, I just can't believe the issues I have with them.

You’re paying too much attention to the temperature of the stove. Put it at 1 and 1 auto light and see if the room/house warms up to your liking, then leave it for an hour or 2, then 1 and 2 etc…it’s going to take some experimenting over hours to figure out works for your needs. As I’ve said before if I want a quick warm up I’ll put mine in stove mode at feed rate 4 and depending on the temp in the house/front room I’ll set the temperature at 1 through 4…I don’t pay any attention to what the temperature of the stove rather how the temperature in the living room is or where I am in the house. Currently-7 and I’m on feed rate 4 and temp at 2…I’ll be turning it down once the living room hits about 22-24c

 

[Washed-Up]

Why’d you just quote them? No response?

 

[Spaz]

I'm trying to set it up so it comes on and goes off at my comfort zone. Which is around 70-74f. I have the quad set up that way, can't run in on stove temp at this time of year or I'll cook myself. It has a remote with a sensor in it so I can place it any where. The temp sensor on the Harman is limited to 5 feet away from the stove. It's also got a window shining sun on it. So the temp is different a different times of the day. Not like a table in the corner of the living room. So 70f at 7am in the kitchen which is where the stove is, is not the same as in the corner of the living room which gets no sun. Any ways I'm paying attention to what the temps are now to set it at.

 

[Washed-Up]

I deal with sun where the stove is as well that’s why I have my temp sensor set up like this behind the stove. I get the living room up to tem, leave it on auto light and set the temperature where I feel will be good. If it’s too warm or fires up when too warm I’ll turn it down a bit and leave it. At night I’ll leave it a bit cooler and repeat the process in the morning.

 

[Spaz]

I deal with sun where the stove is as well that’s why I have my temp sensor set up like this behind the stove. I get the living room up to tem, leave it on auto light and set the temperature where I feel will be good. If it’s too warm or fires up when too warm I’ll turn it down a bit and leave it. At night I’ll leave it a bit cooler and repeat the process in the morning.

I'm leaving it for the time being, where it is in the picture, I'll have to keep an eye on the temps and figure out what's good for the big picture.

 

[Spaz]

I'm leaving it for the time being, where it is in the picture, I'll have to keep an eye on the temps and figure out what's good for the big picture.

I'm also waiting to see if it starts with a bunch of ash in the pot. If it fails to light, the Quadrafire will come on at 72. I did another test to leave it full of ash, so I'll see some time later tonight.

 

[Spaz]

I'm also trying to co-ordinate which one comes on first. I heard it was a 6 degree swing, so if it set at 75 it comes on at 72 and off at 78. The Quad is a 2 degree swing. So it's set at 73 on at 72 off at 74. First one on controls the heat I prefer the Harman. it's in the middle of the house.

 

[Whitenuckler]

I'm also trying to co-ordinate which one comes on first. I heard it was a 6 degree swing, so if it set at 75 it comes on at 72 and off at 78. The Quad is a 2 degree swing. So it's set at 73 on at 72 off at 74. First one on controls the heat I prefer the Harman. it's in the middle of the house.

The Harman can do 1F swing in room mode (with a properly located probe), if it runs in idle mode, in winter, when it's always heating. Once you shut it off, and restart, it will swing like you say.

 

[Spaz]

I'm also trying to co-ordinate which one comes on first. I heard it was a 6 degree swing, so if it set at 75 it comes on at 72 and off at 78. The Quad is a 2 degree swing. So it's set at 73 on at 72 off at 74. First one on controls the heat I prefer the Harman. it's in the middle of the house.

And it did start fine all by itself, now to figure out the idle mode.