Harman P61 Esp light on fan on full

[Spaz]

The Harman can do 1F swing in room mode (with a properly located probe), if it runs in idle mode, in winter, when it's always heating. Once you shut it off, and restart, it will swing like you say.

I did a test on that, and you must be right, it took longer to heat it up then it ran. So no more room mode, back to the stove mode where it can run for hours on end. The Quadrafire is the same, it will come on, go off, come on, go off. The sensor on the Quad is 10 feet away which means it takes 45 minutes to move it 2 degrees on a colder day. It's in the 40's right now. So fire up the Harman before bed time and let her rip all night. It will be in the 70s in the morning.

 

[Washed-Up]

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Just noticed how you have your settings and saw the difference on mine…I keep the room temp all the way to the right, it helps with temperature consistency and I’ve never adjusted it.

 

[bogieb]

Just a note, I woke up and it was idling away, even though it was on stove temp. Note sure why? It was set on 1 when I went to bed on stove temp and temps had drop to 72 from 74 same outside temps. when I hooked up the external sensor it woke right up and started pouring out heat. I've changed to the new one and monitoring. I have it set on 75 vs 80 which was the room temp. It's now barely running, looks like it will go out. More later.

Are you sayig the room temp probe wasn't hooked up? If so, I've found that it confuses the stove so it just idles.

I got down to burning embers, no flame so I turned it up to 77 and it started dumping pellets. I'm afraid it was going out. Temp was 78 on the thermometer. I had it set at 75. it's now pouring pellets out and heating up again. So the sensor works just curious why it's really dumping out the pellets. You'd think it would dump out small amounts.

Attached is the manual for earlier stoves, which has a better explaination of what "constant burn" mode (what is now called stove temp) is. Just do a search in the document for "constant".

 

[Spaz]

Just noticed how you have your settings and saw the difference on mine…I keep the room temp all the way to the right, it helps with temperature consistency and I’ve never adjusted it.

Can I change from stove mode to room mode without stopping and restarting? And any ideal what the idle temp is, I'm going to try it later once it warms up enough. I believe I got it working last night. Also if I'm right the feed rate controls the temp on it.

 

[Spaz]

Are you sayig the room temp probe wasn't hooked up? If so, I've found that it confuses the stove so it just idles.



Attached is the manual for earlier stoves, which has a better explaination of what "constant burn" mode (what is now called stove temp) is. Just do a search in the document for "constant".

I had 2 hooked up. Both worked as when I unhooked them the status light started blinking. I know how it works, I've been running it for 2 years now. But thanks this is my second P61, it didn't have an ignitor, so it was the only mode I had. I've switched to idle mode temp set at 75, going to see if the temp control will turn it down. Fire was 233, external sensor 84. house temp 74. I switched without turning it off and it works fine.

 

[Whitenuckler]

Can I change from stove mode to room mode without stopping and restarting? And any ideal what the idle temp is, I'm going to try it later once it warms up enough. I believe I got it working last night. Also if I'm right the feed rate controls the temp on it.

If you turn the dial very fast the igniter night not come on again. If the fire is going hot that will help. You can't control the idle temp in room mode. It just wants to keep the fire going. The stove will go down to 250 F to 275F with the fan off until more heat is needed. This is great in the winter when you always need some heat. Rate does not change the temperature, just how much it can feed all at once. The control board can do what it needs within a certain range. I always turn my pots up and down each time I started it so the wiper on the pot gets moved to another position. Another thing to remember is that you don't have total control over the room blower. The stove controls it. The only thing you can control for sure is the speed. You can play with the switch too, that can make a difference it how it works eg. In stove mode with the switch down, it may shut off below a certain heat setting.

 

[Spaz]

Can I change from stove mode to room mode without stopping and restarting? And any ideal what the idle temp is, I'm going to try it later once it warms up enough. I believe I got it working last night. Also if I'm right the feed rate controls the temp on it.

If you turn the dial very fast the igniter night not come on again. If the fire is going hot that will help. You can't control the idle temp in room mode. It just wants to keep the fire going. The stove will go down to 250 F to 275F with the fan off until more heat is needed. This is great in the winter when you always need some heat. Rate does not change the temperature, just how much it can feed all at once. The control board can do what it needs within a certain range. I always turn my pots up and down each time I started it so the wiper on the pot gets moved to another position. Another thing to remember is that you don't have total control over the room blower. The stove controls it. The only thing you can control for sure is the speed. You can play with the switch too, that can make a difference it how it works eg. In stove mode with the switch down, it may shut off below a certain heat setting.

It's doing something, I'm down to 2 and have managed to keep all the inside temps the same, despite the outside temps going up 10f. I'm trying to avoid using the Quadrafire as much as possible, although forecast is calling for 59f here today. 47f now up from 33f.

 

[Spaz]

If you turn the dial very fast the igniter night not come on again. If the fire is going hot that will help. You can't control the idle temp in room mode. It just wants to keep the fire going. The stove will go down to 250 F to 275F with the fan off until more heat is needed. This is great in the winter when you always need some heat. Rate does not change the temperature, just how much it can feed all at once. The control board can do what it needs within a certain range. I always turn my pots up and down each time I started it so the wiper on the pot gets moved to another position. Another thing to remember is that you don't have total control over the room blower. The stove controls it. The only thing you can control for sure is the speed. You can play with the switch too, that can make a difference it how it works eg. In stove mode with the switch down, it may shut off below a certain heat setting.

K it's starting to warm things up now. It just bounced to 75 in here, feed on 1 all the other thermometers haven't changed yet. Now 49f and time to shut it down.

 

[Spaz]

If you turn the dial very fast the igniter night not come on again. If the fire is going hot that will help. You can't control the idle temp in room mode. It just wants to keep the fire going. The stove will go down to 250 F to 275F with the fan off until more heat is needed. This is great in the winter when you always need some heat. Rate does not change the temperature, just how much it can feed all at once. The control board can do what it needs within a certain range. I always turn my pots up and down each time I started it so the wiper on the pot gets moved to another position. Another thing to remember is that you don't have total control over the room blower. The stove controls it. The only thing you can control for sure is the speed. You can play with the switch too, that can make a difference it how it works eg. In stove mode with the switch down, it may shut off below a certain heat setting.

Just curious, how long can I run it on idle? I'm repeating yesterday's test, but not making any adjustments like yesterday. So far same results

 

[Whitenuckler]

Till it runs out of pellets

 

[johneh]

Like the Energiser bunny just keeps going and going as long as you fill the hopper!

 

[Spaz]

Like the Energiser bunny just keeps going and going as long as you fill the hopper!

Good stuff

 

[Spaz]

Good stuff

I'm finding the heat from the sun has very little effect until it gets above 50f, had no heat on after lunch time yesterday, until 8pm. Going to run it on idle tonight vs the Quad. The house has to be saturated to a higher temp then it was last night to recover to a maintenanable day time temp.

 

[Spaz]

I'm finding the heat from the sun has very little effect until it gets above 50f, had no heat on after lunch time yesterday, until 8pm. Going to run it on idle tonight vs the Quad. The house has to be saturated to a higher temp then it was last night to recover to a maintenanable day time temp.

Can I start it in idle mode?

 

[Spaz]

Can I start it in idle mode?

I guess not, ignitor will be off. Duh, just figured that out. 😁

 

[Whitenuckler]

I guess not, ignitor will be off. Duh, just figured that out. 😁

Idle mode is not a mode. In Room Mode, idle means you have the switch down, and the room is past the temperature you have selected. If you want to start in idle, select Stove Mode, and set the dial all the way down.

 

[Spaz]

Okay now I'm really confused, after reading the manual. You guys are saying that if I'm in room mode set the temp for 75 it should run all day looking for 75 degrees. When it hits 75 it should lower or raise temp, but not go out. And in control mode it should look for 75 (4) and do the same thing. When I first was testing it in room mode it shut off, it didn't lower the heat. Last night I started it in controlled heat it was on 50 or 1 and still is. I switched it over to ignitor off, room mode, still on 50 and it ran all night and is still running now at 80 ish. This is at the external sensor. It's been running at the same flame temperature since last night. According to the manual it should be somewhere around 50 and I image barely running which it hasn't done. Help me out. I'm posting a pic of my settings.

 

[Spaz]

Idle mode is not a mode. In Room Mode, idle means you have the switch down, and the room is past the temperature you have selected. If you want to start in idle, select Stove Mode, and set the dial all the way down.

 

[Spaz]

Now I can't post pictures.

 

[Whitenuckler]

Okay now I'm really confused, after reading the manual. You guys are saying that if I'm in room mode set the temp for 75 it should run all day looking for 75 degrees. When it hits 75 it should lower or raise temp, but not go out. And in control mode it should look for 75 (4) and do the same thing. When I first was testing it in room mode it shut off, it didn't lower the heat. Last night I started it in controlled heat it was on 50 or 1 and still is. I switched it over to ignitor off, room mode, still on 50 and it ran all night and is still running now at 80 ish. This is at the external sensor. It's been running at the same flame temperature since last night. According to the manual it should be somewhere around 50 and I image barely running which it hasn't done. Help me out. I'm posting a pic of my settings.

Okay now I'm really confused, after reading the manual. You guys are saying that if I'm in room mode set the temp for 75 it should run all day looking for 75 degrees. When it hits 75 it should lower or raise temp, but not go out. And in control mode it should look for 75 (4) and do the same thing. When I first was testing it in room mode it shut off, it didn't lower the heat. Last night I started it in controlled heat it was on 50 or 1 and still is. I switched it over to ignitor off, room mode, still on 50 and it ran all night and is still running now at 80 ish. This is at the external sensor. It's been running at the same flame temperature since last night. According to the manual it should be somewhere around 50 and I image barely running which it hasn't done. Help me out. I'm posting a pic of my settings.

The stove can't lower the room temperature, so when you select 50F on room mode, that means that is the lowest the room temperature will be. This time of year if the switch is down it will go to idle heat. That heat could make the room temperature go up way past 50F depending on how cold it is outside. I'd switch to your heat pump if it's above 5C outside. It will cost less and maintain the room temperature.

 

[Spaz]

I put it on stove mode, set on 75 and it's pumping out the pellets, despite being set on 75 it's giving it more heat. The temp at the sensor is 84. Wtf is going on. The manual says it should keep it at 75, but isn't and it never did it on the old one either. 84 was what it's putting out on room mode set on 50 ( all night). I'm totally lost.

 

[Spaz]

The stove can't lower the room temperature, so when you select 50F on room mode, that means that is the lowest the room temperature will be. This time of year if the switch is down it will go to idle heat. That heat could make the room temperature go up way past 50F depending on how cold it is outside. I'd switch to your heat pump if it's above 5C outside. It will cost less and maintain the room temperature.

That's what I figured. 👍 I'm switching to the Quad here shortly. It's 46 here, suppose to hit 53 here today.

 

[Spaz]

The stove can't lower the room temperature, so when you select 50F on room mode, that means that is the lowest the room temperature will be. This time of year if the switch is down it will go to idle heat. That heat could make the room temperature go up way past 50F depending on how cold it is outside. I'd switch to your heat pump if it's above 5C outside. It will cost less and maintain the room temperature.

It's also way noisier, and expensive then the Quad. The 2 reasons I don't use them. Probably make a good A/C unit come summer. I ran them for maybe 4 days total and my power bill went up $100. They also put a head right about my couch and I have to listen to it all day. It's also a shame that the Harman has a 2 degree split otherwise I'd run it, but it would go on and off all day. Not to mention that it takes longer for it to heat up enough for the fan to come, then it takes to raise it 2 degrees. So it's on longer making heat and cooling off then delivering the heat. The sensor being only 5 ft away.

 

[Ssyko]

Sometimes “Idle” mode is just to warm and it needs to shut down. Whiteknuckler wont send you on a goose chase and he knows the stove. Any adjustments you make take 15-25 min to equalize. So give it time. Dont compare it to the Quad they are 2 separate programmings

 

[Whitenuckler]

It's also way noisier, and expensive then the Quad. The 2 reasons I don't use them. Probably make a good A/C unit come summer. I ran them for maybe 4 days total and my power bill went up $100. They also put a head right about my couch and I have to listen to it all day. It's also a shame that the Harman has a 2 degree split otherwise I'd run it, but it would go on and off all day. Not to mention that it takes longer for it to heat up enough for the fan to come, then it takes to raise it 2 degrees. So it's on longer making heat and cooling off then delivering the heat. The sensor being only 5 ft away.

Figure out where the best place to mount the harman probe (in the same room as the stove) and then figure out how to run the wire. You have two now, so you can use one extended (probe), and keep the other near the stove. If you have a basement or crawl space you could run it down there. If you know an HVAC Tech or electrician they could do it for you.