Well, interesting read anyway, Ray is pretty elusive. Think he came in, tried to get some attention and then went away. The best thing to do is try and get the right stove for your area, that's always the better goal. I'm with Webby, my wife never has liked the looks of our stoves, just their heat! The funny thing is, she loves our propane stoves (A Jotul and a Hearthstone). I had a Jotul Oslo for years and a Hearthstone Phoenix but she never had the same affection for them-LOL. Anyway, something for nothing, just not achievable. Go away Ray. Stay warm.