Identifying Englander wood stove, and restoring original installation

[LangoliTony]

Hey all, new to forums and wood stoves and chimneys and home ownership!

Bought my very first home and saw that the previous owner kept the original wood stove...outside. I've dug into older photos of the home and found a photo of it installed (attached last) where we currently have an empty fireplace and I'd love to return it to its place of glory. I haven't been able to identify the stove, but I've seen similar models online. ( see

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Someone in this forum even has the same/ similar model (see https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/information-about-englander-stove.138440/).

My first question, how would i be able to identify it? We have no sticker, no stamped tag, just the name on the front. Motor still works but the label is faded to white, so potential replacements would also be appreciated. I've attached a photo of mine after some wire brush rust removal.



My second question is, how would you recommend installing this into an existing chimney? The attached picture of the chimney diagram closely resembles my fireplace, except we have a steel firebox and chimney shelf. I've read in these forums that some people remove or cut into the firebox then liner straight up, squeeze smaller diameter liner in tight spots, get "ovalized" liners, etc.

The fireplace measurements are as follows:
Firebox: 48" wide by 20" deep
Damper: 44" wide by 6" deep or tall
Smoke shelf: 28" wide by 12" deep
Chimney: 11" square inside
Cap to smoke shelf: 14 feet
Floor to Damper: 44"




Last photo is how it was originally installed, and how we'd like to return it if possible. Also if its worth doing, we're not sure of the efficiency of this unit. One google reverse image search mentioned it could be an old and unsafe model but found no info to back that up. Plus all of the liners and adapters and the plate around the fireplace was removed and presumably thrown out so we'd be starting from scratch with this. Also we're unsure what the 4 vents around the fireplace do, we cant see into them and don't see any electrical for fans.



Greatly appreciate anyone who took the time to read this, and thank you in advance if you have any info to share!

 

[begreen]

I've seen pictures of that old dragon show up occasionally, but the knowledge of these original Englanders from 50-60 yrs ago is disappearing. What is the flue collar on this stove like? Is it round or rectangular? Based on the door opening size, it will need an 8" liner. There should be plenty of room to snake that down an 11" tiled flue. Be sure the chimney is fully cleaned first, including the smoke shelf.

 

[LangoliTony]

I've seen pictures of that old dragon show up occasionally, but the knowledge of these original Englanders from 50-60 yrs ago is disappearing. What is the flue collar on this stove like? Is it round or rectangular? Based on the door opening size, it will need an 8" liner. There should be plenty of room to snake that down an 11" tiled flue. Be sure the chimney is fully cleaned first, including the smoke shelf.

50-60 years old is very cool to hear! This house was rebuilt in the late 60s/ early 70's so I guess it's from the original owner.

Collar is round coming out the back, picture attached. I'll be getting a 90 degree adapter. I've seen something called an offset adapter box, would that make sense for getting around the smoke shelf? Or can I just snake the liner around it?

My father inlaw is coming tomorrow to check things out, he suggests cutting into the fire box but I'd like to avoid it if possible. I don't have any tools to cut steel yet.

 

[begreen]

That's nice that the stove has a round flue collar. Some older ones had a rectangular flue opening that needed an adapter. This one is set up for an 8" flue system.

A typical install like this has the liner coming down to a tee with a removable cap on the bottom for cleaning. The snout of the tee connects to the stove. If the liner clearing of the fireplace damper is tight, it may need to be removed or notched to clear the liner.