So, I had my mind all made up, ready to buy an F50, until one night last week i found 2 F500's, on craigslist, in like new condition, for $800 each. the oslo was my second choice anyways, so paying 1/3 the price made that decision quite easy. I couldn't pass that deal up, got the other one for my dad. I swapped out the old VC for one of the oslo's this weekend, it really is like new. The sellers (two brothers) claimed that they were only used a few times, and were too big for their houses. I appreciate all the help from everyone, and still love the rangeley. maybe next time.