Misleading tags at Home Depot

[cmonSTART]

I was at HD today looking for stovepipe and glanced over the Englander display. Cool stuff. $999 for a 30-NC. However, they had a 12FP labeled at a non-cat stove, which OK, I guess it doesn't have a cat, but it's a bit misleading. Especially with the 13NC right next to it labeled the same.

Ok, I know I spend waaaaaaaaaaayy to much time on hearth.com

 

[tkirk22]

What's misleading? It's a non-cat stove. When I'm in the market again, I'll be looking for another non-cat stove.

What may be confusing to someone who doesn't know is the EPA exempt info on the 12 model.

 

[Hanko]

You know I was wondering the same thing myself. I really could have used the 12 because the space I needed to heat was small. Nobody talks about the 12 too much and I figured if it was non EPA rated that it was no good, so I got the 13. why no EPA cert. Is the 12 an inferior stove with no air tubes?

 

[Tfin]

I believe the 12 isn't EPA rated becase it doesn't have the ability to produce secondary combustion (doesn't have the tubes and baffle) like the 13 does. I believe its the same "size" stove though. Like Hanko said, they're both non-cat stoves.

 

[N/A N/A]

When I bought a 12 three years ago at Home Depot it came with EPA stickers giving it that standard efficiency and emissions rating. I guess that does not mean that its EPA approved??? But the only thing that stove was is an old smoke dragon. I didnt care for the stove much at all. I never could get it to burn right and had to clean the chimney three plus times a season. Its a 35 to 1 stove, and it didnt work.

 

[Jags]

When I bought a 12 three years ago at Home Depot it came with EPA stickers giving it that standard efficiency and emissions rating. I guess that does not mean that its EPA approved??? But the only thing that stove was is an old smoke dragon. I didnt care for the stove much at all. I never could get it to burn right and had to clean the chimney three plus times a season. Its a 35 to 1 stove, and it didnt work.

Ding, ding, ding. Hit the nail on the head. It is a 35 to 1 stove (epa exempt). Notoriously hard to operate and is probably not gonna get alot of "air time" because of it. I think this is kind of the "bad step child" of the ESW line up.

 

[webbie]

Note that non-epa stoves have tags on them sometimes - certified exempt!

 

[Hanko]

Note that non-epa stoves have tags on them sometimes - certified exempt!

why is that Craig. I thought all stoves had to be EPA cert. after 1995 or at some point. Also why dont smoke dragon inefficient, OWB's and forced air wood furnaces have to be certified?

 

[webbie]

OWB are not in the house. EPA specifies wood space heater.
Central heat is exempt - the thinking (at the time) was that they represented such a tiny part of the market...it was not worthwhile developing a standard.
Fireplace are exempt - and so are stoves which take in a certain amount of combustion air. The reasoning is that dirty burning is mostly because of limited air.

BTW, Cookstoves are exempt as are masonry heaters that weigh over a certain amount. So if you build a REALLY heavy stove, it is exempted.