My Progress Hybrid is up and running!

[Battenkiller]

I'm telling you, put the Blaze King size and system in a VC or a Woodstock design. That what I want.

Well, Vaughn, I guess I was wrong. You got two customers already. ;-)

 

[Jags]

I suspect you will come back to a very warm stove.

And that right there is the kicker. CAN it hold a 500-550 stove top for the 12 hr burn? I don't know. If it can, I will digress. If not, I want 4 cuft.

I don't know what the base price of the Progress is, but I also don't understand why stove mfgs add a thousand bucks for an increase of 1 cuft. Its the same design, just a bit bigger pieces of steel to put this thing together.

 

[BrowningBAR]

I suspect you will come back to a very warm stove.

And that right there is the kicker. CAN it hold a 500-550 stove top for the 12 hr burn? I don't know. If it can, I will digress. If not, I want 4 cuft.

I don't know what the base price of the Progress is, but I also don't understand why stove mfgs add a thousand bucks for an increase of 1 cuft. Its the same design, just a bit bigger pieces of steel to put this thing together.

I have serious doubts that a 2.7 cu ft stove can maintain 500-550 degree temps for 12+ hours.

If I get one (or two) I am looking for 400 degree temps for 12+ hours. That, I think, is doable in this stove.

 

[BrowningBAR]

I'm telling you, put the Blaze King size and system in a VC or a Woodstock design. That what I want.

Well, Vaughn, I guess I was wrong. You got two customers already. ;-)

I would buy two, to be exact. My caveat is that it needs to accept a 6" liner. So, if it needs to be just under 4 cu ft, I understand. Let's make it 3.5 cu ft and call it a compromise.

 

[Battenkiller]

I suspect you will come back to a very warm stove.

And that right there is the kicker. CAN it hold a 500-550 stove top for the 12 hr burn? I don't know. If it can, I will digress. If not, I want 4 cuft.

I don't know what the base price of the Progress is, but I also don't understand why stove mfgs add a thousand bucks for an increase of 1 cuft. Its the same design, just a bit bigger pieces of steel to put this thing together.

I'm not sure if you would or not, but do you really need 500º when you aren't there? Would 400-450º make you happy enough? Why waste heat to the outdoors when no one is there to enjoy the extra warmth in the room? This is where a timer on the air control would come in handy. Shut her down for the day and have the timer open the air about an hour before you get home. :cheese:

As far as the price of a bigger stove, I'm going on the guesstimate of the final retail price, which is reputed to be well in excess of $3K, so not $1000 extra for the bad boy you'd want. Still, you have to remember that soapstone is one heck of a lot more expensive than steel plate, so adding more ain't like just cutting bigger pieces of steel.


BTW what's with the pricing on the website? They are still showing the sale prices even after the delivery deadline has expired. Is the sale still on? Cripes, if I knew they would hold the prices until we moved I might have made plans to get one. :shut:

 

[Jags]

I'm not sure if you would or not, but do you really need 500º when you aren't there? Would 400-450º make you happy enough? Why waste heat to the outdoors when no one is there to enjoy the extra warmth in the room? This is where a timer on the air control would come in handy. Shut her down for the day and have the timer open the air about an hour before you get home. :cheese:

That would be acceptable.

So - we step it down to 3.5 cuft to maintain a 6" flue. We include a dual purpose thermostat/timer. We keep the price sub $4000. We now have something that will beat the pants off of a blaze king, king and will maintain house temp to the desired temp. The timer and air control could be digital with a wall thermo that will revert to a neutral position in case of power outage with the ability to be manually overridden.

What you think Vaughn? Lets take them on!!

 

[BrowningBAR]

I'm not sure if you would or not, but do you really need 500º when you aren't there? Would 400-450º make you happy enough? Why waste heat to the outdoors when no one is there to enjoy the extra warmth in the room? This is where a timer on the air control would come in handy. Shut her down for the day and have the timer open the air about an hour before you get home. :cheese:

That would be acceptable.

So - we step it down to 3.5 cuft to maintain a 6" flue. We include a dual purpose thermostat/timer. We keep the price sub $4000. We now have something that will beat the pants off of a blaze king, king and will maintain house temp to the desired temp. The timer and air control could be digital with a wall thermo that will revert to a neutral position in case of power outage with the ability to be manually overridden.

What you think Vaughn? Lets take them on!!

Yeah, I'll pass on the digital stuff and the timer.

 

[Jags]

I'm not sure if you would or not, but do you really need 500º when you aren't there? Would 400-450º make you happy enough? Why waste heat to the outdoors when no one is there to enjoy the extra warmth in the room? This is where a timer on the air control would come in handy. Shut her down for the day and have the timer open the air about an hour before you get home. :cheese:

That would be acceptable.

So - we step it down to 3.5 cuft to maintain a 6" flue. We include a dual purpose thermostat/timer. We keep the price sub $4000. We now have something that will beat the pants off of a blaze king, king and will maintain house temp to the desired temp. The timer and air control could be digital with a wall thermo that will revert to a neutral position in case of power outage with the ability to be manually overridden.

What you think Vaughn? Lets take them on!!

Yeah, I'll pass on the digital stuff and the timer.

Make it an "option". Have both manual and digital options. It will increase the customer base.

 

[Battenkiller]

Make it an "option". Have both manual and digital options. It will increase the customer base.

Why go digital? That will surely raise the price ceiling. A simple spring-wound timer could be made to do the job. Quadra-Fire already has a working system like that for startups. In this case you'd only have to open the air one time to a preset opening.

 

[Jags]

Make it an "option". Have both manual and digital options. It will increase the customer base.

Why go digital? That will surely raise the price ceiling. A simple spring-wound timer could be made to do the job. Quadra-Fire already has a working system like that for startups. In this case you'd only have to open the air one time to a preset opening.

Okay - I ain't married to digital (being a computer dude kinda steers me that way, even if not needed).

 

[leeave96]

I suspect you will come back to a very warm stove.

And that right there is the kicker. CAN it hold a 500-550 stove top for the 12 hr burn? I don't know. If it can, I will digress. If not, I want 4 cuft.

I don't know what the base price of the Progress is, but I also don't understand why stove mfgs add a thousand bucks for an increase of 1 cuft. Its the same design, just a bit bigger pieces of steel to put this thing together.

This is where I think the large firebox of the latest VC Defiant 2in1 may shine. Nice looking stove, lots of burn time via cat coupled with large fire box.

Now if we can just get someone to try one 24/7 and give us some feedback. Interested...

Bill

 

[BrowningBAR]

I suspect you will come back to a very warm stove.

And that right there is the kicker. CAN it hold a 500-550 stove top for the 12 hr burn? I don't know. If it can, I will digress. If not, I want 4 cuft.

I don't know what the base price of the Progress is, but I also don't understand why stove mfgs add a thousand bucks for an increase of 1 cuft. Its the same design, just a bit bigger pieces of steel to put this thing together.

This is where I think the large firebox of the latest VC Defiant 2in1 may shine. Nice looking stove, lots of burn time via cat coupled with large fire box.

Now if we can just get someone to try one 24/7 and give us some feedback. Interested...

Bill

I'm not sure the VC's cat system is that efficient based on what I can figure out. I think the VC Defiant on a high burn will offer about 10 hours based on what I can figure out. If you are reloading at 300-350 I think 12-14 hours would be the range. Jags wants/needs longer burns at higher temps.

 

[TX-L]

We now have something that will beat the pants off of a blaze king, king

Will believe it when I see it.

Just sayin'.

 

[Jags]

We now have something that will beat the pants off of a blaze king, king

Will believe it when I see it.

Just sayin'.

Don't get me wrong, I really do like the engineering of the BK, its the skirt they dress it up in that I don't care for.

 

[Todd]

What a bunch of dreamers we have here, 4cu ft 1000lb soapstone cat stoves that maintain 500 for 12+ hours! :lol: I don't even think the big Blaze King can do it with their alien technology. Too bad there isn't a manufacturer out there that would help you design and build your own stove, kinda like those brew your own beer and wine places. Hmm, maybe we should start something?

 

[Waulie]

Wow. I see all these new posts and get excited about reading up on how the PH is working.

Instead, I discover a new, bigger, better stove is already in the works.

 

[wood4free]

I suspect you will come back to a very warm stove.

BTW what's with the pricing on the website? They are still showing the sale prices even after the delivery deadline has expired. Is the sale still on? Cripes, if I knew they would hold the prices until we moved I might have made plans to get one. :shut:

A Woodstock rep told me about two weeks ago that the sale prices most likely would remain in effect until year end.

 

[Jags]

What a bunch of dreamers we have here, 4cu ft 1000lb soapstone cat stoves that maintain 500 for 12+ hours!

Why dreaming? At 4 cuft if compared to the BKK it should hold about 90 pounds of fuel. @ 20% MC and at 80% efficient burn rate it will yield an average of 41,500 btu per hour over a 12 hr period (if using the btu of 6930 per pound at 20% MC). On such a big box that might not be over 500 stove top, but I would bet it is over 450 on average. If they could manage 85% burn efficiency it would bring the number to 44,178 BTUs per hour (for 12 hrs). I think these numbers could be obtainable.

 

[Todd]

What a bunch of dreamers we have here, 4cu ft 1000lb soapstone cat stoves that maintain 500 for 12+ hours!

Why dreaming? At 4 cuft if compared to the BKK it should hold about 90 pounds of fuel. @ 20% MC and at 80% efficient burn rate it will yield an average of 41,500 btu per hour over a 12 hr period (if using the btu of 6930 per pound at 20% MC). On such a big box that might not be over 500 stove top, but I would bet it is over 450 on average. If they could manage 85% burn efficiency it would bring the number to 44,178 BTUs per hour (for 12 hrs). I think these numbers could be obtainable.

I look at it this way. The Fireview is about 2 cu ft and with a full load I could cruise over 500 for about 3 or maybe 4 hours. Double the size to 4cu ft and your looking at maybe 6-8. Maybe a thermostat could extend it some more, but 12 hours is pushing it. 400-450 for 12 hours may be possible, I don't know but it would be fun to find out.

 

[Jags]

I would agree

 

[dpgoalie]

Dpgoalie- hi there. I'm glad you're stove is working out for you. As one of the people that worked on your stove (as well as many others), I wanted to let you know it was a true pleasure. And being the very 1st Progress Hybrid stove out the door, you have joined us in reaching a milestone in the industry. We were very excited trying to finish up the final touches. Thanks again!

It was a great experience and it is a great stove. I have waited a very long time for this stove and have past up many great offers on others hoping this one would meet my needs. I have been excited about it since You guys were thinking about creating a bigger stove, even before there was a sketch. I am glad that I waited.

You work for a great company and I am honored to have the first!

 

[dpgoalie]

I fit this much wood into the Progress during the October Pig Roast.

I will take some pictures the next time I pack it and I'll use a tape measure or something to put the wood into perspective. We all have an opinion of what is large, small and medium. Heck, even my girlfriend has an opinion as to what is big wood and what is small wood. She can even tell you what wood lasts longer than other wood. She likes wood! She's not a fan of soft wood though......she likes it....... ah forget it!

fire_man, we spoke at the open house for some time just before you were getting ready to do your comparison to the Fireview. I was thankful that you did that. At that time I said to my girlfriend as you started loading your wood in "Gees, they grow small wood in Mass!." She elbowed me and said to leave Massachusetts alone. The 2 small Poplar splits I put in the stove were 20 inches long and about 1 inch thick. The 4 Oak pieces were 20 inches long and would have also filled that crate.

So maybe I should have called them large splits. But when I was loading that size wood in my non EPA stoves, it was definitely medium! This is my first EPA stove, so when I see wood the size of Fire_man's, I want to use it to pick stuff out from in between my teeth. I will see after this burning season if I should split my wood smaller in the future. My son and I hand split over 17 cords this summer. (4x4x8) White oak, Maple, Apple, White Birch, some Poplar and a bit of Walnut. If we would have split the wood the size of what's in that crate, we would still be splitting cause I can get 4 pieces of that wood out of one of the ones I put in the stove last night.

Since I'm new to EPA stoves and Cat stoves to boot, I'll be trying a bunch of things to discover what works for me......

In no way was I saying you were wrong. Just looking for clarity since this is a new stove and you are left with the burden of being the only one that has one on this forum.

I take it you had a Pre-EPA defiant with solid front doors? How does the heat compare between the two stoves at this point?

I didn't take any offense and I am happy to answer any and all questions that I can.

The Defiant was a 1975 and it was very, very leaky. I have a 2oo year old farm house (2,200 square feet) I burned about 8-9 cords (4x4x8) each winter. I can only compare the 2 at this point with 50 degree outside temps. With the Defiant, I would put in 2 medium (Which some may consider big) and on a very low damper, I would have to reload in 1.5 to 2 hours. With the PH, I put in 2 pieces of the same size wood and I don't have to put any more in for about 6-7 hours. So there really is no comparison between the two. The PH kicks its butt. Butt I am excited to see what happens in Late January. The Defiant running full speed heat my drafty home with no problem. But I needed a shovel to keep putting the wood to it. I want to see how the Progress heats this old house when the winds are whipping and it's below zero out.

I live your pain every winter. Nearly identical situation.

I am interested in hearing how the PH compares to the old Defiant. Even leaky, I can only assume that big bastard threw a lot of heat since I run the smaller Vigilant.

Yup, it threw heat and gobbled up wood. I will let you know how the PH is doing in January.

 

[dpgoalie]

I suspect you will come back to a very warm stove.

And that right there is the kicker. CAN it hold a 500-550 stove top for the 12 hr burn? I don't know. If it can, I will digress. If not, I want 4 cuft.

I don't know what the base price of the Progress is, but I also don't understand why stove mfgs add a thousand bucks for an increase of 1 cuft. Its the same design, just a bit bigger pieces of steel to put this thing together.

This is where I think the large firebox of the latest VC Defiant 2in1 may shine. Nice looking stove, lots of burn time via cat coupled with large fire box.

Now if we can just get someone to try one 24/7 and give us some feedback. Interested...

Bill

I considered and looked at the Dual Defiant after selling my 1975. I didn't like the build quality, at all. Especially at the price they were asking. Well actually, I wouldn't have cared if the stove was 1,500, I wouldn't have purchased it because of the quality.