Ideal Steel Webpage

[chance135]

Looks like Woodstock had the IS webpage up and is talking about having prices within the next few days or so. After this brutally cold winter we are having this year I may be in line for a larger stove and this one fits the bill.

http://www.woodstove.com/ideal-steel-hybrid

 

[weatherguy]

I may jump on it too, especially at pre production prices. You also have the option to have it plain with no bling, maybe a black with gold door would look good like the one they have at the bottom of the page.

 

[Highbeam]

3.2 CF is a decent size, lots of wood. I wonder if WS gives actual firebox size or something else. 12-14 hour burntimes beats most non-cats, how does that compare to the PH?

I wonder why they think that 82% efficiency is some sort of record. That is already being done by an old BK design.

 

[tekguy]

Any guesstimates on the price?

 

[chance135]

Woodstock's comments on Facebook say under 2 grand.

 

[begreen]

3.2 CF is a decent size, lots of wood. I wonder if WS gives actual firebox size or something else. 12-14 hour burntimes beats most non-cats, how does that compare to the PH?

I wonder why they think that 82% efficiency is some sort of record. That is already being done by an old BK design.

A lot of big stoves will do a 12 hr burn. We just did one yesterday on a 3/4 load of locust. Stove top was at 250F when reloaded. FWIW the Wittus TwinFire tests at 93% efficiency. The amount of heat this stove radiates is impressive.
http://www.wittus.com/wpwoodtwinfiremain.htm

 

[weatherguy]

One of the beta testers got a 24 hour burn with a load of oak blocks, not sure how cold it was and how hot the stove was but it was impressive nonetheless.

 

[Woody Stover]

3.2 CF is a decent size, lots of wood. I wonder if WS gives actual firebox size or something else.

Pretty close. Right at 3, from what I understand.

 

[begreen]

One of the beta testers got a 24 hour burn with a load of oak blocks, not sure how cold it was and how hot the stove was but it was impressive nonetheless.

This was the first time I have seen a test with solid oak block. I wouldn't know where to get them except at very high cost. Still, I'm curious how my stove would perform with a similar charge of fuel. It's kind of like packing tight with BioBricks. You can't pack a stove that tightly with cord wood.

 

[jdonna]

This was the first time I have seen a test with solid oak block. I wouldn't know where to get them except at very high cost. Still, I'm curious how my stove would perform with a similar charge of fuel. It's kind of like packing tight with BioBricks. You can't pack a stove that tightly with cord wood.

Oak 4"x4" by 5 foot long trucking skids for shipping metal. How do I know? I just picked up a truck load that a shipping company was throwing away. You can pack them in like lincoln logs.

 

[rdust]

3.2 CF is a decent size, lots of wood. I wonder if WS gives actual firebox size or something else.

From what I've read it's 22" e/w, 18" n/s and 11" tall at the back and gets taller at the front which is 15". It may be 3 CF but not in the traditional way, to use the full size you'd need to load n/s then load splits e/w in the front to fill that gap from the slanted ceiling. If you want to load e/w you can probably fill it up decent but that's a deep firebox to reach into when it's hot to load the rear splits.(no thanks)

 

[alforit]

One of the beta testers got a 24 hour burn with a load of oak blocks, not sure how cold it was and how hot the stove was but it was impressive nonetheless.

I read that post and was not too Impressed... First of all he used oak blocks and packed it tight , which is not a normal burn scenario by any means. Others with bio bricks have gotten much longer burn times with less wood and a smaller fire box.... Also the beta tester stunk his house up pretty good with a smoke smell from that burn.
If I were considering purchasing the IS , I would not use that one time burn as a reference point for what that stove can do, by any means.

 

[weatherguy]

I read that post and was not too Impressed... First of all he used oak blocks and packed it tight , which is not a normal burn scenario by any means. Others with bio bricks have gotten much longer burn times with less wood and a smaller fire box.... Also the beta tester stunk his house up pretty good with a smoke smell from that burn.
If I were considering purchasing the IS , I would not use that one time burn as a reference point for what that stove can do, by any means.

longer burn times than 24 hours with bio bricks in a smaller than 3.2 cf stove?

 

[alforit]

longer burn times than 24 hours with bio bricks in a smaller than 3.2 cf stove?

Yup......Webby did it with his Ashford for over 30 hours and Zanimal did with his BK also at over 50 hours ...... Both stoves are under 3 cf. Not hard to do when you pack it tight like that and turn it down......Not sure how long you could get with a non-cat. Probably not a good idea since they burn high and hot.

But again, Its not the norm, and was done one time only and shouldn't be used to judge the stoves ability.....Especially when its in beta testing stage and some flags are going up. IE: like smoke in the house when it was turned down.

 

[1750]

http://www.wittus.com/wpwoodtwinfiremain.htm

Just like at my house -- there's something about wood heat that attracts women in little cocktail dresses....

That was funny.

 

[chance135]

[Just like at my house -- there's something about wood heat that attracts women in little cocktail dresses.... /QUOTE]

Your house too! I thought mine was the only one.

 

[isipwater]

A lot of big stoves will do a 12 hr burn. We just did one yesterday on a 3/4 load of locust. Stove top was at 250F when reloaded. FWIW the Wittus TwinFire tests at 93% efficiency. The amount of heat this stove radiates is impressive.
http://www.wittus.com/wpwoodtwinfiremain.htm

But doesn't the TwinFire (impressive as it is) cost in the neighborhood of $6,00 - $7,000? I could get three Ideal Steel Woodstocks for that price.

 

[m67tang]

I'm wondering how the fire box size increased over the PH, but the BTU rating went down?

About the oak blocks, I get those most every year for my stove. very nice wood- easy to handle, wife likes it too for easy loading when I'm gone.
My concern is not the price of the stove itself ( we know its under $2000) I think the fancy dressings might cost that much too, doubling the price!? I like the stove, but not gonna pay double to make it nice, not ordering a plain one either. So if I can get a dressed up IS reasonably priced ($2500 or less) I'm on board.

Also does the cutaway drawing of the IS look like an improvement over the PH? It does look better designed to me.

 

[mellow]

So am I reading right: Flue Height to Center (Min Leg Height): 24.5" + 3 = 27.3" minimum lintel height?

 

[begreen]

But doesn't the TwinFire (impressive as it is) cost in the neighborhood of $6,00 - $7,000? I could get three Ideal Steel Woodstocks for that price.

That was not the point. It is marketing hype to say that 82% efficiency is "record tested". The Wittus is also much more attractive and has the best light show on the planet.

 

[Charles1981]

Its a huge cat/hybrid stove for under 2k that runs on a 6 inch liner? And from a company that already puts out high quality stoves that are regarded very well here? I want one now...I definitely want to replace it with my stove lol and it cost more and is smaller...But I think I will keep on trucking a few more years with my VC and get my monies worth out of it.

 

[Highbeam]

longer burn times than 24 hours with bio bricks in a smaller than 3.2 cf stove?

Every day with junk firewood.

 

[osagebow]

After this winter it was an easy sell to the wife. Emailed them last week.

Wonder how a Steeler logo would look on the side of a black and gold one? Probably copyright issues...

 

[danimal1968]

That was not the point. It is marketing hype to say that 82% efficiency is "record tested". The Wittus is also much more attractive and has the best light show on the planet.

Blaze King makes the same claim.

Both Blaze King and Woodstock clearly state they are talking about EPA testing results; the last listing put out by the EPA did not list a result for the Wittus.

 

[danimal1968]

I'm wondering how the fire box size increased over the PH, but the BTU rating went down?

About the oak blocks, I get those most every year for my stove. very nice wood- easy to handle, wife likes it too for easy loading when I'm gone.
My concern is not the price of the stove itself ( we know its under $2000) I think the fancy dressings might cost that much too, doubling the price!? I like the stove, but not gonna pay double to make it nice, not ordering a plain one either. So if I can get a dressed up IS reasonably priced ($2500 or less) I'm on board.

Also does the cutaway drawing of the IS look like an improvement over the PH? It does look better designed to me.

Woodstock has a new blog entry addressing the BTU calculation.