I'm done with the Dauntless after a runaway fire

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So what was the outcome of this, did you purchase a new stove?

I’ve been tempted to try a VC a few times in the past but I always see these horror stories and read about how finicky they are to operate for some so it always steered me away.
 
So what was the outcome of this, did you purchase a new stove?

I’ve been tempted to try a VC a few times in the past but I always see these horror stories and read about how finicky they are to operate for some so it always steered me away.
They do make a beautiful stove with classic lines.....overall, I agree with you.
 
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I am one person who really likes my VC Dauntless. This was my first experience with a modern woodburning stove. Always had fireplaces before. I assumed it was just as easy as a fireplace...such a dumb a**! Installed 3 years ago, first season was a serious learning curve. Last 2 seasons I have been rewarded with the experience of a beautifully handcrafted wood burner. Would I have chosen another stove if I was an experienced wood stove owner? Probably not, it's beautiful to look at and does exactly what I purchased it for in the space it's in.
 
I am one person who really likes my VC Dauntless. This was my first experience with a modern woodburning stove. Always had fireplaces before. I assumed it was just as easy as a fireplace...such a dumb a**! Installed 3 years ago, first season was a serious learning curve. Last 2 seasons I have been rewarded with the experience of a beautifully handcrafted wood burner. Would I have chosen another stove if I was an experienced wood stove owner? Probably not, it's beautiful to look at and does exactly what I purchased it for in the space it's in.
This is me, too! Hahaha. Grew up with a regular fire place. My husband and I at the fireplace store - "let's get a wood burning stove so we can survive when there's a zombie apocalypse. Oh, those Vermont Castings ones are REALLY cool looking." We are still in the 1st season/learning curve stage but getting a little better each time:) The information on this site has been very helpful.
 
Today's stoves you can leave for 24 hours without the heat coming on.
This is not as important to me as simplicity of operation. I understand that's different for some people in different situations, and that's fine. I just bought the wrong stove. I do wish the dealer would have been better about explaining this, but it is what it is.

if the stove is in the basement why the major concern over the glass getting dirty?
It's in the living room. The biggest issue for me is that the dirty glass can be hard to clean, which leads to me wanting to use the stove less. It is especially annoying because I don't know anyone else who has this issue with their stoves.

So what was the outcome of this, did you purchase a new stove?

I’ve been tempted to try a VC a few times in the past but I always see these horror stories and read about how finicky they are to operate for some so it always steered me away.
Haven't yet. I am going to start a thread on that topic. We might go down a size to something like a Jotul 602.
 
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This is our third year with the Dauntless. I can’t say that I love the stove, but I was doing decently well with it. As a ballpark estimate, we have had somewhere between 80 to 120 fires in it. We have had it professionally installed and, after each season, had the chimney professionally cleaned.

I think we are done with this stove, though, after what I went through tonight.

We started a fire around lunchtime. The temperature today was really cold. It was around 11 degrees when I went walking very briefly around 5:30.

About 6:45, I reloaded the stove with a mixture of maple and oak, all seasoned two years. The coal bed was thick. The flames started quickly under the wood that I had loaded (I usually put a two smaller pieces on the bottom because the doors get really smoked up if I don't).

After about ten minutes, I closed the bypass damper. I do not remember the stove top temperature, but I do remember that the probe was in the middle of the damper range.

The damper made a sound like a blowtorch, which it has done multiple times in the past. I had been planning to head into the basement to clean, but the sound continued, which was abnormal. I thought something might be wrong and decided to stay upstairs instead. When I noticed that the flames were dying on and off, I opened the bypass damper.

Flames were instantly everywhere inside the firebox. I’m used to a certain amount of flame, but this was more than normal. This concerned me, so I dialed the air back. Shortly after—and I don’t know the exact amount of time, but it seemed like only a few minutes—the inside of the double-wall stove pipe started to turn orange. Smoke came from the stove and activated our smoke detector.

At this point, I was really concerned that I was about to burn the house down, so I located our Chimfex, ignited it, and placed it into the firebox. Then I called the fire department, and we evacuated to a neighbor’s house.

Thankfully, by the time that the fire department arrived, the fire was somewhat more under control. One of the firemen mentioned that the cast-iron griddle on the top was glowing, which I did not see. They let it burn for about fifteen more minutes, but when it was apparent that it was not going to die completely on its own, they removed the coals and dumped them into a snowbank.

It’s entirely possible that this is somehow operator error. I don’t know if some combination of the low temperatures today or something else made this different than all of the other times we have had fires. All I know is that tonight something went very wrong.

I don’t love my local dealer as they have been dismissive a couple of times when I have had questions after the sale, and since I made the mistake of buying a VC, I can’t contact the manufacturer.

I understand some people on here are more skilled than I am at using this stove and using stoves in general. Like I said, this could be operator error. It’s just interesting to me that nobody else I know who has a stove seems to experience these sorts of problems.

Sorry for the rant. All that I can say is that the whole experience scared the **** out of me, and I won’t be using it again.
 
Sorry for your scare. Been burning my dauntless for some 5 months with little issue. Getting 11 hour burns overnight with easy restarts and minimum ash.. I did not purchase the catalytic option and don't feel the need to extend my burn times. To each his own. You may want to see how it operates without it.
 
I am one person who really likes my VC Dauntless. This was my first experience with a modern woodburning stove. Always had fireplaces before. I assumed it was just as easy as a fireplace...such a dumb a**! Installed 3 years ago, first season was a serious learning curve. Last 2 seasons I have been rewarded with the experience of a beautifully handcrafted wood burner. Would I have chosen another stove if I was an experienced wood stove owner? Probably not, it's beautiful to look at and does exactly what I purchased it for in the space it's in.
This is my 3rd winter with my Encore. 1st and only wood stove I have burned in my life. Decided we wanted one when we bought a new house and realized oil was expensive. Winter 1 it became primary heat on day 1. There was no other option but to figure it out. So lots of trial and error, 80° degree fall nights with open windows, and reading @Woodsplitter67 training manuals we made it work. The VC was easily the best looking stove we could buy. This was a major factor in why we got it. And it works great. It heats my entire house effectively and will run 24x7 for days on end. The best comparison I have, its like driving a standard. You first learn and you think a lot. Clutch, gear, gas. Now to 2nd, clutch, gear, gas and so on. But when you drive a standard every day for a few months, you don't think, now you just drive and it is natural. No different than anyone else driving their car.
 
This is not as important to me as simplicity of operation. I understand that's different for some people in different situations, and that's fine. I just bought the wrong stove. I do wish the dealer would have been better about explaining this, but it is what it is.


It's in the living room. The biggest issue for me is that the dirty glass can be hard to clean, which leads to me wanting to use the stove less. It is especially annoying because I don't know anyone else who has this issue with their stoves.


Haven't yet. I am going to start a thread on that topic. We might go down a size to something like a Jotul 602.
Jotul 602s are great stoves, and about as simple as they get. I run a 602C which heats about 1,000 sq-ft pretty well, with a few ceiling fans. Mine is the Pre-EPA, no window version.

Some things to pay attention to with 602’s
-The older ones crack if over-fired (so keep an eye out for this if buying used)
- There’s apparently a CAT version available now, so you may want to avoid that based on your VC experience (I’ve struggled to find reviews on it).
- New, non-CAT EPA models don’t allow you to turn the stove all the way down, which shortens burn time… there’s some YouTube videos on how to fix this if that becomes an issue.
- the firebox is small! 16” logs are the max, so once in a while a split may sneak into your wood pile that doesn’t fit in the box.
- my older 602C is capable of an 8-9hr burn…. But it needs to be packed tight, and shut alll the way down. Realistically, these stoves burn 5-6hrs between reload (non-CAT).
 
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This is our third year with the Dauntless. I can’t say that I love the stove, but I was doing decently well with it. As a ballpark estimate, we have had somewhere between 80 to 120 fires in it. We have had it professionally installed and, after each season, had the chimney professionally cleaned.

I think we are done with this stove, though, after what I went through tonight.

We started a fire around lunchtime. The temperature today was really cold. It was around 11 degrees when I went walking very briefly around 5:30.

About 6:45, I reloaded the stove with a mixture of maple and oak, all seasoned two years. The coal bed was thick. The flames started quickly under the wood that I had loaded (I usually put a two smaller pieces on the bottom because the doors get really smoked up if I don't).

After about ten minutes, I closed the bypass damper. I do not remember the stove top temperature, but I do remember that the probe was in the middle of the damper range.

The damper made a sound like a blowtorch, which it has done multiple times in the past. I had been planning to head into the basement to clean, but the sound continued, which was abnormal. I thought something might be wrong and decided to stay upstairs instead. When I noticed that the flames were dying on and off, I opened the bypass damper.

Flames were instantly everywhere inside the firebox. I’m used to a certain amount of flame, but this was more than normal. This concerned me, so I dialed the air back. Shortly after—and I don’t know the exact amount of time, but it seemed like only a few minutes—the inside of the double-wall stove pipe started to turn orange. Smoke came from the stove and activated our smoke detector.

At this point, I was really concerned that I was about to burn the house down, so I located our Chimfex, ignited it, and placed it into the firebox. Then I called the fire department, and we evacuated to a neighbor’s house.

Thankfully, by the time that the fire department arrived, the fire was somewhat more under control. One of the firemen mentioned that the cast-iron griddle on the top was glowing, which I did not see. They let it burn for about fifteen more minutes, but when it was apparent that it was not going to die completely on its own, they removed the coals and dumped them into a snowbank.

It’s entirely possible that this is somehow operator error. I don’t know if some combination of the low temperatures today or something else made this different than all of the other times we have had fires. All I know is that tonight something went very wrong.

I don’t love my local dealer as they have been dismissive a couple of times when I have had questions after the sale, and since I made the mistake of buying a VC, I can’t contact the manufacturer.

I understand some people on here are more skilled than I am at using this stove and using stoves in general. Like I said, this could be operator error. It’s just interesting to me that nobody else I know who has a stove seems to experience these sorts of problems.

Sorry for the rant. All that I can say is that the whole experience scared the **** out of me, and I won’t be using it again.
I have had a very similar experience with my Vermont Castings dauntless. Mine made it two seasons before the air control failed during a burn. The weld failed on the air dial and the cable slipped off.

The authorized repairman (after the dealer finally got their act together) told me he sees this all the time with Vermont Castings stoves. Wish I had knew that before splashing out 3k. Never again.
 
I have had a very similar experience with my Vermont Castings dauntless. Mine made it two seasons before the air control failed during a burn. The weld failed on the air dial and the cable slipped off.

The authorized repairman (after the dealer finally got their act together) told me he sees this all the time with Vermont Castings stoves. Wish I had knew that before splashing out 3k. Never again.
I fined comments like this kinda funny. A repair man says he sees problems like this all the time. What do you think he does for a living. Fixes problems. That's like talking to a Dodge mechanic and him saying all I do is work on broken Dodge trucks.

In 2 years you had a problem with a bimetal thermostat. It's probably not even made by VC like some of the other parts. If I had 1 problem with something that I purchased in the course of 2 years it wouldn't change my opinion of the product. Multiple and consistent problems would. EVERY stove manufacturer has some problems.. just look at all of the threads about them.
 
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Sorry for your scare. Been burning my dauntless for some 5 months with little issue. Getting 11 hour burns overnight with easy restarts and minimum ash.. I did not purchase the catalytic option and don't feel the need to extend my burn times. To each his own. You may want to see how it operates without it.
 
Update :
After 2 years the following is an update.

Pros:
- DAUNTLESS giving long even burns with no cat.
- Ash removal is good.
- stove is esthetically pleasing.
Cons:
- stove will puff on reloads with too high/hot. coal bed.
- Air input is too little in range of. adjustment
- Stove runs dirty and I need to clean. chimney every 6 weeks. Can do from. cellar so not too bad. My liner is only. 5.5" due to narrow clay tiles may be. part of issue.
- Puffing from thimble connection when. running on low air can be cured wifb. gasket cement.
- Locations of some gaskets will make for. difficult replacement

I am somewhat stuck with this model due to rear vent height required. There are several stoves that will fit but they don't have ash pans.
 
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Update :
After 2 years the following is an update.

Pros:
- DAUNTLESS giving long even burns with no cat.
- Ash removal is good.
- stove is esthetically pleasing.
Cons:
- stove will puff on reloads with too high/hot. coal bed.
- Air input is too little in range of. adjustment
- Stove runs dirty and I need to clean. chimney every 6 weeks. Can do from. cellar so not too bad. My liner is only. 5.5" due to narrow clay tiles may be. part of issue.
- Puffing from thimble connection when. running on low air can be cured wifb. gasket cement.
- Locations of some gaskets will make for. difficult replacement

I am somewhat stuck with this model due to rear vent height required. There are several stoves that will fit but they don't have ash pans.
Maybe a Jotul or Woodstock is worth taking a look at?
 
Update :
After 2 years the following is an update.

Pros:
- DAUNTLESS giving long even burns with no cat.
- Ash removal is good.
- stove is esthetically pleasing.
Cons:
- stove will puff on reloads with too high/hot. coal bed.
- Air input is too little in range of. adjustment
- Stove runs dirty and I need to clean. chimney every 6 weeks. Can do from. cellar so not too bad. My liner is only. 5.5" due to narrow clay tiles may be. part of issue.
- Puffing from thimble connection when. running on low air can be cured wifb. gasket cement.
- Locations of some gaskets will make for. difficult replacement

I am somewhat stuck with this model due to rear vent height required. There are several stoves that will fit but they don't have ash pans.
Curious as to what temperature you run the stove at? And what kind of wood are you burning that you have to clean your chimney that often. Do you close the flue bypass or keep it open?

I clean my chimney once at the beginning of the season. I only collect about a quart of soot from a 16' chimney. I burn only hardwood. Helps living in Oregon! And not so cold as you! I am from Littleton btw!
 
Curious as to what temperature you run the stove at? And what kind of wood are you burning that you have to clean your chimney that often. Do you close the flue bypass or keep it open?

I clean my chimney once at the beginning of the season. I only collect about a quart of soot from a 16' chimney. I burn only hardwood. Helps living in Oregon! And not so cold as you! I am from Littleton btw!
I. Burn only seasoned
Curious as to what temperature you run the stove at? And what kind of wood are you burning that you have to clean your chimney that often. Do you close the flue bypass or keep it open?

I clean my chimney once at the beginning of the season. I only collect about a quart of soot from a 16' chimney. I burn only hardwood. Helps living in Oregon! And not so cold as you! I am from Littleton btw!
I burn only ash, oak, beech or maple seasoned over a year. B urn at 400 to 500 degrees and run both open till temp is up and then run air open. Prior stove only required cleaning 2x a year. I believe the stove is not getting sufficient air for proper draft. Chimney is about 28 ' above stove level. We are 1500 'above sea level. I keep a close eye on this stove and if I wasn't retired I would dump it. House is tight and that could also be issue. Outside air was a thought but recent articles
Say air supply should come from inside the house for proper draft i also don't like the inability to be able to clean the rear flue channel.
 
I. Burn only seasoned

I burn only ash, oak, beech or maple seasoned over a year. B urn at 400 to 500 degrees and run both open till temp is up and then run air open. Prior stove only required cleaning 2x a year. I believe the stove is not getting sufficient air for proper draft. Chimney is about 28 ' above stove level. We are 1500 'above sea level. I keep a close eye on this stove and if I wasn't retired I would dump it. House is tight and that could also be issue. Outside air was a thought but recent articles
Say air supply should come from inside the house for proper draft i also don't like the inability to be able to clean the rear flue channel.
BTW, Littleton and north is best part of NH. had a hunting/fishimg camp in Errol for many years.
 
I. Burn only seasoned

I burn only ash, oak, beech or maple seasoned over a year.
[Hearth.com] I'm done with the Dauntless after a runaway fire
 
I'm late to the party on this thread so maybe this was already mentioned.
Would the addition of an external flue damper help?
The overfire evidently occurred during extra cold conditions which could lead to overdraft if the chimney is extra tall.
Just throwing it out there.