Issues concerns with 2021 Jotuls?

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dvellone

Feeling the Heat
Sep 21, 2006
484
I'm soon moving into a new house next door to my current home and may need a larger stove than I now use (Jotul f400) but I'm going to hook the f400 up to the chimney already installed in the new build to see how it does and give me idea of what size stove might work.

The f400 heats beautifully, is simple to use, and after 14 years of being the primary heater for us is still in great shape, so Jotul had me hooked and I had planned on either the f500 or f55 depending on how the f400 heated the new build and what the increased heating demand might be.

I've heard some concerns though regarding Jotul's 2021 design changes - particularly the f500 - and wonder if it's prudent to wait a bit longer for them to iron out any issues... if the issues are much of a concern. I'm confident that the f400 can heat the new space, but only with frequent loading and higher temp. burns.

Thanks, Daniel
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
25,502
central pa
I'm soon moving into a new house next door to my current home and may need a larger stove than I now use (Jotul f400) but I'm going to hook the f400 up to the chimney already installed in the new build to see how it does and give me idea of what size stove might work.

The f400 heats beautifully, is simple to use, and after 14 years of being the primary heater for us is still in great shape, so Jotul had me hooked and I had planned on either the f500 or f55 depending on how the f400 heated the new build and what the increased heating demand might be.

I've heard some concerns though regarding Jotul's 2021 design changes - particularly the f500 - and wonder if it's prudent to wait a bit longer for them to iron out any issues... if the issues are much of a concern. I'm confident that the f400 can heat the new space, but only with frequent loading and higher temp. burns.

Thanks, Daniel
Personally I would wait a bit longer
 
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begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
89,580
South Puget Sound, WA
I agree. The F45 and F55 have simple design improvements and are working well. The F500 has more complex changes that experienced some failures with the large cat in some stoves. Makes me wonder if they would have been better off having two smaller cats instead of the one, stove-wide cat.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
25,502
central pa
I agree. The F45 and F55 have simple design improvements and are working well. The F500 has more complex changes that experienced some failures with the large cat in some stoves. Makes me wonder if they would have been better off having two smaller cats instead of the one, stove-wide cat.
Yes my concerns are really only with the 500
 
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dvellone

Feeling the Heat
Sep 21, 2006
484
The f500 was actually the stove I had planned on if it would fit the heating need. My brother's been heating with one for quite a few years now and it impressed me. I more recently looked at the f55 and realized it could work a little better with the hearth. All this is somewhat premature since I have a good opportunity do a heating trial with the f400, but it's a disappointment that such a great stove now has some desigm issues.
Thanks for the replies and advice, Daniel
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
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Jan 14, 2014
25,502
central pa
The f500 was actually the stove I had planned on if it would fit the heating need. My brother's been heating with one for quite a few years now and it impressed me. I more recently looked at the f55 and realized it could work a little better with the hearth. All this is somewhat premature since I have a good opportunity do a heating trial with the f400, but it's a disappointment that such a great stove now has some desigm issues.
Thanks for the replies and advice, Daniel
I agree it is certainly a disappointment
 
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begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
89,580
South Puget Sound, WA
It's particularly sad because Jotul reduced its US offerings substantially. Try the F400, It's a great looking stove and you may find it heats the new place well.
 
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EbS-P

Minister of Fire
Jan 19, 2019
1,209
SE North Carolina
The f400 heats beautifully, is simple to use, and after 14 years of being the primary heater for us is still in great shape
I’m pretty sure if I needed something bigger than my F400 it would not be a jotul. Probably a Pacific Energy. I think the T5 or T6 are the closest looking and simple designs. I like the stainless baffle (the f400 almost has to be because you hit it every time you load) it’s a rugged design with no baffle board that can break.
 

dvellone

Feeling the Heat
Sep 21, 2006
484
I’m pretty sure if I needed something bigger than my F400 it would not be a jotul. Probably a Pacific Energy. I think the T5 or T6 are the closest looking and simple designs. I like the stainless baffle (the f400 almost has to be because you hit it every time you load) it’s a rugged design with no baffle board that can break.
New design issues with the f500 aside, why wouldn't you consider it or the f55 if you needed to go larger than the f400? Thanks, Daniel
 

EbS-P

Minister of Fire
Jan 19, 2019
1,209
SE North Carolina
New design issues with the f500 aside, why wouldn't you consider it or the f55 if you needed to go larger than the f400? Thanks, Daniel
I don’t have any good reason. Swing out trivets? EB2 on the PE is a neat very simple feature where the secondary air is regulated (I think it’s on the T5-t6 stoves. I really like my F400. I’m kinda mad at jotul for not figuring out how to make a full cast stove meet 2020 emissions without a cat. It probably more that than anything.
 
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Ctwoodtick

Minister of Fire
Jun 5, 2015
1,562
Southeast CT
It's particularly sad because Jotul reduced its US offerings substantially. Try the F400, It's a great looking stove and you may find it heats the new place well.
Agreed, my local stove shop that’s been around a long while is a strong Jotul dealer. None of the previous inserts made it past 2020. I’m sure they aren’t thrilled with any issues with one of their big sellers. Was just in there this weekend getting ideas for an upcoming move.