New jotul f55 v2 questions

[Flashback87]

Ok can you take a few more pics of the piece? Can u tell if is cast or just mild steel?

Here's a couple more pics...

Not sure what is made of. Is there a way to tell?

I tried searching online for a replacement part via the part number in the owners manual (#158214) but im coming up empty handed.

 

[EbS-P]

Here's a couple more pics...

Not sure what is made of. Is there a way to tell?

I tried searching online for a replacement part via the part number in the owners manual (#158214) but im coming up empty handed.

Do you think it’s limiting travel

 

[Flashback87]

Do you think it’s limiting travel

I think its allowing air in since it is not seated flat against the base of the stove.

I'm assuming this is what is causing my stove to be difficult to control.

 

[bigealta]

Shoot i can't say for sure from pics. I too looked for the Part earlier today and no one had it.
So let's no break it. I wonder if that weld bent the piece?

Maybe someone else will know if it's cast. If no answers then you have the choice to reinstall it as is and put those magnets back.

You have the pics to show it's jacked up. I bet it will take a while to get a replacement unless the stove seller will pull one out of his floor model.

I think i'd wait just a bit to see if anyone chimes in. Then i'd put it back and just maybe do smaller loads.

 

[bigealta]

In fact with this cold snap i'd put it back now. And get a mid sized fire going.
The only fix option is to try to bend it back.
If mild steel i'd do it, but if cast absolutely not, it will break. There is a good chance it's cast.

you can always do it tomorrow or in the next couple days.

 

[Crab]

My F45 with doghouse with cover off....NOTE doghouse gasket needed replacement after cover removal
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[Flashback87]

My buddy is a welding engineer and confirmed its steel.

I believe its straight now so im going to reinstall and see it it corrects it

 

[begreen]

My F45 with doghouse with cover off....NOTE doghouse gasket needed replacement after cover removal
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Thank you for posting this!

 

[TreeCo]

My money says the problem has been found!

Anxiously waiting for the results.

 

[begreen]

I think its allowing air in since it is not seated flat against the base of the stove.

I'm assuming this is what is causing my stove to be difficult to control.

That looks like the proper diagnosis. This is a factory defect. It should be a warranty item.

 

[Flashback87]

So far it seems im having more control but this is with top down cold start. Nice to see yhe fire slowdown when I adjust the air.

I think a load on coals tomorrow will be a good test.

Thanks!

 

[Crab]

Thank you for posting this!

Your welcome, but understand they are from my F45 not a F55v2 so not sure if the air valve slide covers the holes the same as my F45 when fully closed. Also the F55 air valve slide part number is different than my F45 slide.

 

[EbS-P]

Your welcome, but understand they are from my F45 not a F55v2 so not sure if the air valve slide covers the holes the same as my F45 when fully closed. Also the F55 air valve slide part number is different than my F45 slide.

If I was I charge the only difference would be the size and position of the holes inner plate.

 

[Flashback87]

That looks like the proper diagnosis. This is a factory defect. It should be a warranty item.

Yeah, im disappointed I had to take my stove apart in the first week and had run away fires for that time period too. This thing was not cheap.

I'm curios how i should approach this?

The paint has faded and flaked in some areas but im not sure if ive done any other damage.

I will update my installer and see what he says. I have an email typed up to Jotul but have not sent yet. Not sure if it is worth it. I was not blown away by customer service after my first interaction with Jotul, so I feel I will just get pushback and resistance.

 

[begreen]

Documentation and persistence. I'm glad you have discovered the root cause of the problem but sad that it has happened.

 

[EbS-P]

Yeah, im disappointed I had to take my stove apart in the first week and had run away fires for that time period too. This thing was not cheap.

I'm curios how i should approach this?

The paint has faded and flaked in some areas but im not sure if ive done any other damage.

I will update my installer and see what he says. I have an email typed up to Jotul but have not sent yet. Not sure if it is worth it. I was not blown away by customer service after my first interaction with Jotul, so I feel I will just get pushback and resistance.

play it nice but firm with the dealer. That’s basically your contact to Jotul. Offer to write everything up and send him the word docs to submit. If you get any where it’s going to be through the dealer.

Are there V2s still available? I wouldn’t accept a V3. I aways hate the first ding in a new car that my fault. At least you don’t have to deal with that guilt.

Paints cheap but time intensive.

 

[Flashback87]

So i definitely have more control and i need to relearn this stove.

This mornings fire went well loading off the coals from last last night's top down cold start. I uncovered the boost air. Actually cut it off too soon and almost lost flame. Not the best thing but good it slowed down.

I have 2 ir guns and one runs 20-30 degrees hotter. The hotter one had me at 701° stt and the cooler had me at 680°. Not super concerned because it did not stay there and came down in 5 minutes or less.

The 2nd fire I tried loading on a hotter bed of coals. Took off jic3e and had air closed in less then 20 minutes. Fire build up and this one got a little hotter. Hotter IR gun had me at 751° and cooler had me at 720 but again it did not climb but slowd down under 700°in 15-20 minutes. Due to this temp i covered up the boost air again and put blower on high.

Going to start next load with boost air covered and see what that does.

I am a little more at ease but still a little cautious. There are unknowns like did I get the air control valve completely straight or is something warped.

The f55 manual states on pg16 the optimum service temp range for the most efficient combustion is between 400-700°.

Should I even be concerned with these temps? I would run my old stove at these temps but it was a little less expensive... lol.

Thanks

 

[begreen]

Definitely insist on a warranty replacement of the air control. The dealer should be a bit chagrinned and trust the customer more. They owe you one.

The f55 manual states on pg16 the optimum service temp range for the most efficient combustion is between 400-700°.

That's normal operating temps for a steel stove which the F55 is at heart.

 

[Todd]

Yeah I’d definitely go to the dealer and show them everything you found and ask for replacement parts.

I wouldn’t at all be concerned at short spurts at 700+, it’ll be interesting to see how she burns with the boost air closed now that the primary air slide issue is fixed.

 

[bigealta]

Glad you are on the right path now. We always stall out our burns because we lower the air down just a bit too early. Or a touch too much. That’s all good and something that takes a lot of practice to get just right.
Definitely get a new replacement slider as a warranty part.

If there is any pushback hand them a bill for the repair you did and ask for a new replacement stove.

 

[Flashback87]

I'm working with the retail outlet that sold me the stove. They are working with me and right now it sounds like im getting a new control valve and paint. Not super happy about being sent a can of paint due to the time it will take me to do this. I expressed a little dissatisfaction and asked if they thought that was reasonable explaining i understood it is not the sellers fault but Jotul. They are pushing back but not sure if there's anything else they can do.

I noticed the baffle is bending up a little and hopefully you can see this in the picture. The seller asked for pics of the firebox which im glad they did and they are addressing this too as it seems a little warped.

My question is, what are the performance consequences of this damage? The only thing ive noticed is the right side gets hotter faster but don't know if the two are related. Still getting good heat and flame time is still about 3-3.5 hours and I have decent coals in the morning.

Hopefully you can share some thoughts on this.

Of course. I will push for a new one but not sure if im going to want to let my stove go cold to install unless it will be a wild difference.

Thanks for following this and helping!

 

[bigealta]

It does look like it is bending up a bit, is it tight like it looks like on the left side and in the middle? Hard to see for sure in pics?

How is the stove running now compared to when the slider was bent? Are you getting flame control without having to have the draft fully closed?

 

[Flashback87]

It does look like it is bending up a bit, is it tight like it looks like on the left side and in the middle? Hard to see for sure in pics?

How is the stove running now compared to when the slider was bent? Are you getting flame control without having to have the draft fully closed?

Yes, its bent up on the one side where it is circled. I wasn't super concerned nut i don't like that is seens warped.

Could this effect performance?

Stove is running better with control. I still have the boost air closed but I can keep it under 700° but open it up if i need more heat. Good to see it slowed down when I adjust it now.

 

[bigealta]

i don't know about the warp. it probably would bother me though.

 

[TreeCo]

Is secondary air entering the firebox along what looks like an open seam?