Pacific Energy and 2020

mar13

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Nov 5, 2018
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Humboldt coast, California
I have a T5 Classic being installed at the very moment I'm typing this. (Very exciting, but also a bit nerve-wracking too, hoping all goes smoothly.)

Interestingly, it says it's a Series D (3.4g/hr), yet the manufacturer date is listed as 01/2019. There'd been a post from somebody in Nova Scotia (?) who has an EPA2020 version (Series LE) purchased last fall. I wonder if they were manufacturing both models simultaneously for a while and everything heading off towards Montreal was made EPA2020?
 

ToastyInDE

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Apr 20, 2019
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Northern Delaware
Any update on these LE's? Has PE run out of the Series D and only shipping the LE? How about performance? Anyone able to provide a review other than the person in this thread who may have had excessive draft? @begreen have you been able to see them in person?

I'm thinking about getting a Super for a brand new install in my house and called a local retailer. They didn't know whether the new 2020 compliant models were shipping either. Like others have said, I'm interested in taking the plunge on new Super with EBT2, although it seems like you can't go wrong with the Series D.
 

mar13

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Any update on these LE's? Has PE run out of the Series D and only shipping the LE? How about performance? Anyone able to provide a review other than the person in this thread who may have had excessive draft? @begreen have you been able to see them in person?

I'm thinking about getting a Super for a brand new install in my house and called a local retailer. They didn't know whether the new 2020 compliant models were shipping either. Like others have said, I'm interested in taking the plunge on new Super with EBT2, although it seems like you can't go wrong with the Series D.
Id imagine you could insist to your dealer that you want an LE version, otherwise you won't purchase. The dealer would then be motivated find a way to ensure you an LE.

Here's what a dealer in Ontario emailed me this spring. Reading his email and getting feed back from ChimneySweepOnline made me confident of both the D and the LE of the Super Series.

"We have been running a Super 27 LE here since last fall. On our chimney it runs very similar to the previous versions. The Summit with the EBT2 has been more sensitive to chimney draft. I had suspected that theSuper 27 with the EBT2 might have difficulty with our tall chimney, but that hasn't been a problem. It wasn't quite a blind test, because we also changed from birch firewood to black ash firewood at the same time.

I suspect there might be some chimney set ups where it doesn't run as nice as the old one, but we have a couple dozen LE units out in the field now and we aren't having complaints. Since we aren't experiencing long term reliability issues with the EBT2 Summits that have been out for about a decade, I don't expect Super 27 EBT2 problems.

As for emissions, the old unit was designed in 1986 and beat the thirty two years of emission standard tightening without any revisions.The current revisions were really minor. "
 
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Id imagine you could insist to your dealer that you want an LE version, otherwise you won't purchase. The dealer would then be motivated find a way to ensure you an LE.

Here's what a dealer in Ontario emailed me this spring. Reading his email and getting feed back from ChimneySweepOnline made me confident of both the D and the LE of the Super Series.

"We have been running a Super 27 LE here since last fall. On our chimney it runs very similar to the previous versions. The Summit with the EBT2 has been more sensitive to chimney draft. I had suspected that theSuper 27 with the EBT2 might have difficulty with our tall chimney, but that hasn't been a problem. It wasn't quite a blind test, because we also changed from birch firewood to black ash firewood at the same time.

I suspect there might be some chimney set ups where it doesn't run as nice as the old one, but we have a couple dozen LE units out in the field now and we aren't having complaints. Since we aren't experiencing long term reliability issues with the EBT2 Summits that have been out for about a decade, I don't expect Super 27 EBT2 problems.

As for emissions, the old unit was designed in 1986 and beat the thirty two years of emission standard tightening without any revisions.The current revisions were really minor. "
The wife caught me sizing up our BK hearth for a PE T5. Just wanted to know if it would fit. Have to buy another cat soon for the BK.
 

mar13

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Nov 5, 2018
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Humboldt coast, California
The wife caught me sizing up our BK hearth for a PE T5. Just wanted to know if it would fit. Have to buy another cat soon for the BK.
One advantage that I found of PE stoves with respect to hearth sizing is that their manual measures the side distance for minimum hearth width from the edges of the windows. Most other stove companies use the edge of the stove body.

My hearth is a quarter circle, so it had the correct depth at the center for several stove models, but the hearth gets shorter relative to the stove's face as you follow the hearth's edges as they arc away from the center. Saving a few inches on the minimum width made me more confident of meeting requirements before ordering the stove site unseen. It happened that my worry was for nothing as the stove itself isn't a true rectangle (which I knew, but not how much) so it could be set further back in the corner than anticipated, giving me enough front clearance to probably even pass Canadian requirements.
 
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ToastyInDE

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Apr 20, 2019
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Northern Delaware
Id imagine you could insist to your dealer that you want an LE version, otherwise you won't purchase. The dealer would then be motivated find a way to ensure you an LE.

Here's what a dealer in Ontario emailed me this spring. Reading his email and getting feed back from ChimneySweepOnline made me confident of both the D and the LE of the Super Series.

"We have been running a Super 27 LE here since last fall. On our chimney it runs very similar to the previous versions. The Summit with the EBT2 has been more sensitive to chimney draft. I had suspected that theSuper 27 with the EBT2 might have difficulty with our tall chimney, but that hasn't been a problem. It wasn't quite a blind test, because we also changed from birch firewood to black ash firewood at the same time.

I suspect there might be some chimney set ups where it doesn't run as nice as the old one, but we have a couple dozen LE units out in the field now and we aren't having complaints. Since we aren't experiencing long term reliability issues with the EBT2 Summits that have been out for about a decade, I don't expect Super 27 EBT2 problems.

As for emissions, the old unit was designed in 1986 and beat the thirty two years of emission standard tightening without any revisions.The current revisions were really minor. "
Thanks mar. I called another retailer in Philadelphia yesterday and they confirmed that all Super orders will be the 2020 compliant LE version. FWIW, the quoted price was $2,150 for the standard black w/legs.
 
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