Garage heat, What do you have?

[Rossco]

Decided to instal a BK Princess Ultra in the house so I have a PE Super 27 to play with. Well it's gone into my 25' x 25' super insulated, newish shop.



Still haven't screwed the pipe together fully. The chimney was just full. Never gonna happen again.



Nice view



Still debating double wall pipe, I have the clearances but DWP is just nice.

Wodda ya use? And what kinda results?

 

[1kzwoman]

South facing double doors

 

[Tenn Dave]

Coat

 

[begreen]

Is this a permitted installation? Many states don't allow garage woodstove installations, but maybe in BC they do?

 

[Rossco]

Well that kinda sucks I guess. My south facing door and insulated coveralls don't cut it during the arctic winters ere.

Is this a permitted installation? Many states don't allow garage woodstove installations, but maybe in BC they do?

Yeah it's replacing an 'England stove company' unit.

Fully permitted. Well this new unit will need to be looked over by the building inspector for insurance purposes.

Am surprised some states do not allow wood stoves in garage's or out buildings. Kinda sucks that.

I suppose my thread is 'Egg on your face' to people who cannot have wood heat in there shop. Oh well, if its any consolation, I don't have any hardwood.

 

[begreen]

It makes sense though considering garages usually have cars, lawnmowers, gas cans and other flammables present. A detached shop building is a different matter. Again, this is not in all jurisdictions. Some do grant a variance.

You might want to read the article for a Canadian perspective.

"CSA B365 Installation Code for Solid-Fuel-Burning Appliances and Equipment. The section that deals with solid-fuel appliances in residential garages can be found under section 3.3 Hazardous Locations. The wording reads as follows:

An appliance shall not be installed in a location where a corrosive atmosphere, flammable gas or vapour, combustible dust, or combustible fibres may be present. An appliance may be installed in a

(a) storage or residential garage, provided that the appliance is mounted at least 450 mm (18 in) above floor level and protected against physical damage; . . . "

(broken link removed to http://www.wettinc.ca/WETTNLWinter2010.pdf)

 

[Highbeam]

Is this a permitted installation? Many states don't allow garage woodstove installations, but maybe in BC they do?

They do in our state too BG, at least for me. I permitted my garage install of an NC30 with no variance or anything.

Something is funny about your pictured stove pipe. That crimp on the outside screams upside down pipe but I can't tell for sure.

 

[Rossco]

It makes sense though considering garages usually have cars, lawnmowers, gas cans and other flammables present. A detached shop building is a different matter. Again, this is not in all jurisdictions. Some do grant a variance.

Oh yeah makes sense for sure. My shop is 20ft from the house and also has my wood shed attached to it.

 

[begreen]

They do in our state too BG, at least for me. I permitted my garage install of an NC30 with no variance or anything.

Something is funny about your pictured stove pipe. That crimp on the outside screams upside down pipe but I can't tell for sure.

Maybe something to do with a detached metal building. I seem to recall a local getting turned down for this, but his garage was attached. Is the garage area separate from the workshop area?

 

[Rossco]

They do in our state too BG, at least for me. I permitted my garage install of an NC30 with no variance or anything.

Something is funny about your pictured stove pipe. That crimp on the outside screams upside down pipe but I can't tell for sure.

The lower section is a slip, the pipe above slides into the lower section.

The stove is on them bricks to give the 18" minimum required.

 

[Highbeam]

Maybe something to do with a detached metal building. I seem to recall a local getting turned down for this, but his garage was attached. Is the garage area separate from the workshop area?

Mine is a wooden pole barn, wooden roof and comp roofing, metal sheet siding on the outside. Detached but with three 12x12 garage doors and one big open space. Not a metal building.

 

[bholler]

we use a englander pellet stove

 

[begreen]

Mine is a wooden pole barn, wooden roof and comp roofing, metal sheet siding on the outside. Detached but with three 12x12 garage doors and one big open space. Not a metal building.

That was probably why. It is listed as a pole barn, not a garage. In a rural area this is considered an agricultural building. If the pole barn is used as a garage is another matter. IIRC you were taking advantage of his lack of knowledge. Not all inspectors are that sharp... Our wood stove inspection was all of a 5 second walk by.

Ultimately this is up to the inspecting authority. There are several threads here where folks have been told no by the inspector. The national fire code (NFPA 211) states

12.2.3 Solid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in
any location where gasoline or any other flammable vapors or
gases are present.
12.2.4 Solid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in
any garage.
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/another-wood-stove-in-a-pole-barn-thread.92472/#post-1212588
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/code-says-no-wood-burner-in-garage.111437/

 

[realstihl]

Mine is a mini split heat pump.

 

[Tenn Dave]

Mine is a mini split heat pump.

mini split heat pumps are awesome...........

 

[Highbeam]

That was probably why. It is listed as a pole barn, not a garage. In a rural area this is considered an agricultural building. If the pole barn is used as a garage is another matter. IIRC you were taking advantage of his lack of knowledge. Not all inspectors are that sharp... Our wood stove inspection was all of a 5 second walk by.

Ultimately this is up to the inspecting authority. There are several threads here where folks have been told no by the inspector. The national fire code (NFPA 211) states

12.2.3 Solid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in
any location where gasoline or any other flammable vapors or
gases are present.
12.2.4 Solid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in
any garage.
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/another-wood-stove-in-a-pole-barn-thread.92472/#post-1212588
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/code-says-no-wood-burner-in-garage.111437/

Oddly, the county is very sensitive to calling anything a barn or ag building and repeatedly made me refer to the structure as a garage on the permit and plans. I even had to record a document stating it was not an ag building and that it for the storage of personal motor vehicles. I believe it has to do with safety issues in a commercial building.

I do agree with you that the code seems to not allow it. I was surprised to hear it would be permitted but two different building inspectors were happy to sign off. The one inspector had approved of another garage woodstove that same day.

My belief is that it was allowed because the garage is detached.

 

[Rossco]

Well am still Suprised at the 'No stove in garage' nanny state policy.

Ah well, it is what it is I guess.

No one have any pictures to add?

Oh yeah, what's a mini split pump system then?

 

[Tenn Dave]

Well am still Suprised at the 'No stove in garage' nanny state policy.

Ah well, it is what it is I guess.

No one have any pictures to add?

Oh yeah, what's a mini split pump system then?

google it

 

[Nick Mystic]

Better check the relief valve on your compressor tank to make sure it's working. I don't imagine you'll be burning 24/7 our in your shop and that tank will likely get pretty cold in the middle of winter. Once you get that stove cranking and the tank heats up the air pressure will rise significantly. Although I imagine they build a pretty good margin of safety into those tanks. As a kid my buddy and I used to pound bolt into the end of a pipe we'd connect to my dad's compressor down in the basement. Then we'd put our foot on the release valve to build the pressure up high enough to shoot out the bolt. We'd get it up over 200 ppsi sometimes and blast a hole through a 3/4" thick piece of plywood! Very impressive to a kid!

 

[Seanm]

Looks good Rossco. Lots of garage wood stoves in BC and insurance companies allow them as long as they are installed to code.

 

[Rossco]

Dave: I will google it tonight at work.

Nick: Sounds like 'Harmless' fun to me. I never had any heating problems with the old stove although it was hardly a PE super. I will keep an eye on it for sure thanks.

Sean: Most guys I know with shops have stoves. Problem I have now is feeding two of the dam things. Will put the ugly stuff through the shop and keep the good stuff for the wife & kids.

I have a decent 'Fire-Pit' pile that is a candidate. Not to mention a recent Reno pile that was destined for the dump.

 

[webby3650]

No problems around here with stoves in garages. My garage flue is a proving ground for old stoves I drag home. I actually tore the masonry flue down a few months ago, I will be installing a new class A flue here in a few weeks!

 

[Desmo]

Never thought of heating my garage this way. Duhh... I need to check if Wisconsin allows wood burning stoves in garages. It would be great to work on motorcycles in the winter.

 

[Highbeam]

Decided to instal a BK Princess Ultra

Vnbbv

Wodda ya use? And what kinda results?

So i used the nc30 last year. Hopelessly inadequate to heat the place since i had not yet put a ceiling in the shop. It was like a campfire though and a radiant heat source. I used all single wall pipe, all vertical, about ten feet. Did it for more heat transfer since i plan to burn this thing either hot or not at all.

 

[Rossco]

Yeah heating an area ain't the problem, its keeping it in. Or atleast leaking less than the appliance can produce.

I imagine the paints gonna come off the walls when this PE is glowing orange and steady.