At initial start ups the stove does take a while to heat if you let it go cold.Mine never goes cold so no problem.
Woodstock progress vs hearthstone equinox
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When woody got back to me he again stated the Fireview gave him more power but he missed the easy ash handiling of the dutchwest and the K.He also stated that the big window of the k was a factor and that he could see the CAT doing it's thing and of course all stoves do better with drier wood even the Mansfield.Maybe he was feeding the Mansfield dry wood and went from wet wood to dry wood in the Keystone ? One last thought the fireview is the larger stove all the way around.Why would the Keystone be expected to outperform the Fireview.Woodstock doesn't expect the Keystone to outperform the Fireview due to the spec so why would we ?
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I don't have the slightest idea why the Mansfield did a better job for me than the liberty and the Summit.They are both good size stoves but didn't perform as my old Mansfield.Maybe my older Mansfield was a better build than the newer models.The complaints of the Mansfield that come from this site I've experienced none of that i.e. not heating well,cracked stones,flimsy handle.Thats not my experience.I also forgot to mention that I also owned a hearthstone 2 wood/coal stove that was great until the coal burnt up the innards.It's possible that Hearthstone's level of quality has been allowed to fall as many products in the USA have.RIght, the Ks is handling this place with good wood and more air-sealing. With yet more weatherization I should be able to hold 70* in here in any weather.
Now you've got me wondering about your house. If you are generally within sight of the stove, where you spend most of your time, the Manny may be giving you good radiant heat. I can say that the difference in radiation between my Dutchwest (cast iron) and the Ks (soapstone) was significant. Even at 20', I can feel slight radiation off the stone stoves. Radiation will warm you, even though room temp may be a couple degrees lower. Now, both my stoves were cats; Maybe with tube stoves in steel and soapstone, radiation would be closer. Do you have any theories as to why you are getting more satisfactory results with the Manny? I'm kinda with @webby3650 here...having a hard time understanding how the Manny is out-heating the Liberty. I also think he is probably right about being able to move heat out of a steel stove faster...but I'm no scientist. That said, I think the ultimate in a situation where a lot of heat is needed, would be to have a big soaper like the PH, then put a small fan in front of it and figure out the best configuration that would move a bit of air past the sides and top of the stove. IIRC, heat will move faster when there is a steeper temp gradient between the outside and inside, and I think you could pull even more heat off the soapstone quicker with this type of setup.
BTW, you can put your stoves, present and past, in your sig if you'd like. That way, readers would be able to see at a glance what stoves you have experience with and would be better able to see if what you're saying might apply to them.
It certainly would be, especially for you at this time of year. I think they can actually tell winter from summer out there.
If you remember, Dennis used to routinely run his Fireview around 700, the highest recommended by Woodstock. I'm sure you could exceed that if you wanted to. I don't like to see my stove top next to the cat at much more than 600. I'd think the PH, with the secondary going, would get the sides hotter than what I see in my straight-cat stove, and might surprise you with some 'not-so-soft' heat.
I have my hands on Hearthstones of all ages. They are doing some good things to improve latch and handle quality. If they'd only start using the same handle on all their stoves! The equinox and the Manchester have rock solid handles and latches. All of them don't have cracks. I literally crawl around these things inspecting them, almost no customers even know about the cracks. Hearthstone says its normal and acceptable as long as you can't see light through it. They have a lifetime warranty on the stones, you must provide the labor though.
lsucet
Minister of Fire
lsucet
Minister of Fire
why? they say in the 700 # but i dont know if is the plain model or the loaded one with all the options. i am sure you don't know the reason i am asking.I don't know. Why don't you look it up on the internet and report back?
I just looked it up: 620. I guess the ash pan and stone options would add more weight. If you are putting it in your cabin, maybe the floor isn't built as heavy-duty. In that case, better stick with your Princess, a couple hundred pounds lighter in weight.
Shipping would kill you anyway, you'd be paying almost as much with shipping as the Princess costs at a dealer. 
lsucet
Minister of Fire
I just looked it up: 620. I guess the ash pan and stone options would add more weight. If you are putting it in your cabin, maybe the floor isn't built as heavy-duty. In that case, better stick with your Princess, a couple hundred pounds lighter in weight.
Actually I was looking into it cause during the summer when I start with the remodeling in the other part of the house I will like to install a wood stove there. I have two extra stoves to install there if I want but I want a cat stove. I have installed now a pellet stove in that area but I want to minimize the use of electricity.
My floor is in real good condition but it is off ground. that is the reason I was asking. Too much weigh for the floor in a small area. I was trying to can compare one to another.lol.
But no fan is killing me also. I will hate not getting the same burn times as the princess and can run both real low when real cold outside. In shoulder season I can run just one like I do now and with the remodeling everything should be better for sure.
The princess is handling everything now very good I just have to run it little higher than normal when teens and single digits that is not for Long time with the kind the weather we get around here. I really want to eliminate the pellet stove and the noise when somebody visit us. It will be OK in the formal living room after remodeling and taking care of that part of the house.
If your floors are built to any kind of modern standards then you'll be fine. Would you worry about having 3 buddies over for a beer around the princess? Or 5 people in your living room? I'm gonna guess your floor will handle any stove just fine.
lsucet
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The floor is old and that is a fact. but it is in a well good condition thanks god. I really think that i will end up with another Princess but don't hurt to ask and look into other brand like Woodstock. the princess now is in the family room and it will stay there forever.lol. Plus it is doing a beautiful job keeping the house up to nice temp with that part of the house getting in the middle 60s when lower teens. It will do better if is not for the weird lay out of the house and the upper level on that other side of the house. check the lay out so so and you will see what i am telling you. the new stove will be install in an old fireplace that i will rip and modified during the remodeling and push the stove back. run an telescoping double wall stove pipe and run a liner plus whatever else i will need to do a decent install. I did draw the floor plan so so but you can have an idea what i am talking about.
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Well, I guess if Joyboy wants to get this thread back on track by asking a couple questions, he'll do so.
--"No fan is killing me." I can understand not wanting the fan noise, but why is no fan killing you?
--You say the Princess is handling it OK, just that you have to turn it up a little in cold weather. Why is that a problem? You want to be able to stay away longer, and need the longest burn time possible? So you want two stoves if it's gonna be cold out so you can still run low?
Now that I think of it, she's got a pellet stove in the house, so maybe she'll take both! Win-win!
As usual, I'm having a hard time understanding.
--"No fan is killing me." I can understand not wanting the fan noise, but why is no fan killing you?
--You say the Princess is handling it OK, just that you have to turn it up a little in cold weather. Why is that a problem? You want to be able to stay away longer, and need the longest burn time possible? So you want two stoves if it's gonna be cold out so you can still run low?
OK, I've come up with the answer. My sister lives in Socorro. I've been trying to talk her into a 30 NC for her shop but she hasn't pulled the trigger yet. I will send her up there, and you can give her a great deal on the 02 stove!
Now that I think of it, she's got a pellet stove in the house, so maybe she'll take both! Win-win!
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lsucet
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As usual, I'm having a hard time understanding.
--"No fan is killing me." I can understand not wanting the fan noise, but why is no fan killing you?
--You say the Princess is handling it OK, just that you have to turn it up a little in cold weather. Why is that a problem? You want to be able to stay away longer, and need the longest burn time possible? So you want two stoves if it's gonna be cold out so you can still run low?
about the noise, the pellet stove compare to the fans on the princess is a big different, they are louder plus two of them, bigger that the one on the princess plus auger,bla bla bla. you know. At the same time i will like to have the option of the fan cause of that upper room. I know heat rise and should not be an issue to warm up the upper room but i go to the ranch on weekends most of the time and when i get there the pellets stoves do a great job helping to bring the house to temp quicker. that is why i want the option of the fans on a wood stove too. Anyway if an outage the pellet stove are no good for nothing.
There is no problem at all with that but Yes, I will want to run them on low as much i can.
Depend what you call good deal.lol I keep things and collect them better than sale them, just for the pain in my chest when i have to sale something cheap.lol
Just kidding
Well, I've pretty much decided that it will be a progress. They are on sale now for $3065 plus shipping of $712. Do they get cheaper during the off season?
I wonder because by the time I get my chimney and house fixed it will probably be the beginning of May. Not much chance to burn anything in it. I
I wonder because by the time I get my chimney and house fixed it will probably be the beginning of May. Not much chance to burn anything in it. I
Gotcha, this is the house, not the ranch. Can you put a ceiling fan up in the top level to circulate the heat back down?
Sounds like you will be getting another BK.
Sounds like you will be getting another BK.
lsucet
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that is the ranch. sorry for get you confuse. I have all those stoves at the ranch and it is where i am doing those remodeling. Here in town in Albuquerque, NM i am on natural gas furnace that was built with the house since i bought it new 20 years ago.
JA600L
Minister of Fire
At the ranch he often needs to recover room temp fast, and having a stove with a blower should be better for that. When he's not there, he wants to run low and keep a fire going most of the time...that's how I understand it anyway, maybe I'm wrong. If he's gone all week, and just shows up on weekends, I'd assume backup heat is a necessity to keep pipes from freezing, and why not just use that for a short time to get the house up to living temp? I guess I still don't understand fully what he is trying to do. But I agree that he should get a Woodstock unless there's no way to avoid getting a lesser stove.
Sounds like a good choice. Not many unhappy Woodstock customers.
There is always some kind of discount, and sometimes there is a shipping discount. There is always the chance it could backfire, but I wouldn't be too concerned about waiting. $3k isn't bad though. I think the pre-order, introductory price on the stove was $2500.
I second this. The stove is a dead load.
Now if you had 2 summo or 3 heavyweights training by jumping rope,it would be another matter
Look at the joists.. if they are 2x6 on 16inch center.. you should be ok. Better still is if the stove is close,or straddles the beam that carries the joists
lsucet
Minister of Fire
At the ranch he often needs to recover room temp fast, and having a stove with a blower should be better for that. When he's not there, he wants to run low and keep a fire going most of the time...that's how I understand it anyway, maybe I'm wrong. If he's gone all week, and just shows up on weekends, I'd assume backup heat is a necessity to keep pipes from freezing, and why not just use that for a short time to get the house up to living temp? I guess I still don't understand fully what he is trying to do. But I agree that he should get a Woodstock unless there's no way to avoid getting a lesser stove.
Well, you are right in your statement plus you understood right. I actually talked to Mike this morning at Woodstock and the plain model is in the 700# vicinity.and that is plain like i said. also the shipping will be another point. still cheaper than the princess ultra but i am willing to pay the different cause those other details mentioned above. He also confirm that they don't use blower with any of their stoves. that is a big downside for me. the question from last night about ceiling fan, yes, i have two and one is in the stove room and the other in the formal living room where the other stove will be. I don't like to use them cause when it helps, i don't like it push air back to the stove area and i don't like that. regardless if blowing down or up. I like to get the heat out of stove area not push it back into the stove again.
At this point I will have to marry another Princess and feel like a real king.lol I will be happy with the burn time for sure. now the shortest time that i get with this one is 17 hrs the other day when temp dropped to 16 df and i run it harder with some assistance early in AM from one of the pellet stove to bring a few degrees up the part of the house that stays in the low 60s when gets that cold. My average time is in the 22-24 hrs burn with some 27-28 if temperatures climb during the days and don't need the demand but is hard to keep that schedule. 22- 24 reload works better. Thanks to all for the inputs
Rearscreen
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I owned a Mansfield for maybe 7 years the Phoenix before that, loved them and not a lick of any problem. I now own the PH. If I were given a choice now to get either, the PH would win hands down.
Kelvin 506
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Can you elaborate on the stones having lifetime warranty? I have a few cracked stones inside. I thought the stove only had a 1 year warranty. Thanks
Look in the back of your owners manual under what's covered. Pretty sure the stones themselves are lifetime warranty, parts only though.
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